The 9/11 Truther Credo

Orphia, great material!

I would just add these:

Always bring up USS Liberty as proof the US government kills its own people. When someone points out that the Israelis did it, say that was a "false flag" attack orchestrated by Lyndon Johnson.

Accuse firefighters, cops, EMS techs, and rescue workers as being part of the conspiracy, afraid to speak the truth for fear of their jobs and lives. When called out on this gross insult, say you're really on the side of the firefighters, cops, and EMS techs.

Offer no proof as to how the evil conspirators are able to hold thousands of cops, firefighters, and EMS techs in fear of their lives over not speaking the truth about the murder of their brothers in uniform.

Declare every piece of evidence against you as being a forgery or a fraud. But don't explain who does the forgery, and how it was done, with no slip-ups.

Insist that all official investigations are whitewashes, but don't explain how they should be done instead.

Argue that the Bush administration planned 9/11 perfectly, but ignore the fact that they hosed up the search for Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq beyond all measure.

Insist that there is no possibility of anything in the world happening as the result of chance, luck, weather, or other random elements. Everything that has ever been happened in human history is controlled by sinister forces, who have not left any kind of paper or human trail.

Sneer at all scientific evidence that opposes your theory, to cover your ignorance on the subject. Apply "common sense" when it's clear you have no knowledge of the subject.

Repeat ad nauseum. :D
 
Thanks, Kiwiwriter. :) I love your contributions!!

Thanks, Perry, and JimBenArm. I'm still trying to find an ad-free web space I like, and haven't posted to my blog yet, but I'll let you know A.S.A.P.

I've thought of some more too:

Don’t investigate or talk to the organisations you accuse of conspiracy to murder. Post a picture of men in uniforms at the Pentagon or Shanksville and say they were “in on it” or “planting evidence” then walk away.

The few eyewitness reports which you have quotemined are worth much more than the thousands of eyewitness reports that don’t support your beliefs.

And I think I'll finish off with this one, unless it can be improved upon:

Obstinately insist that 9/11 was an inside job, but do not name any names, organisations or methodologies as to how it was carried out, then claim you pity the victims’ families but do not perceive either how you are reopening old wounds or how you wish to rip their world apart again based on a few dumb questions.
 
Anybody with a higher qualification than you is obviously a government shill.

When asked for your own credentials, obfuscate. Common sense rules!
 
Bumped for forumites who missed seeing this over the holiday season.

I haven't had time to find a site for it yet, so I'm still open to contributions.
 
From Alex Jones himself about dealing with those that oppose the twoofer view:
Don't respond to them, never respond to them and stick with your talking points.
Try to discredit them first.
If you get into trouble, throw out "strawman" or "yellow journalism".
Before venturing out, inform the group that you will be polite and just talk. Warn that detractors will try to double-team you or engage in a shouting match, but don't fall for that. However, when it comes down to it, double-teaming and shouting down detractors is acceptable.

Pro twoofer message boards are indispensable. You can copiously congratulate each other for your latest YouTube discovery. You can also state that you went to JREF and "totally destroyed Gravy's arguments" when you mean you "totally put Gravy on ignore".
 
The anti truther credos are:

1. Bush is our friend
2. Bush is a nice guy.
3a. Bush always tells the truth.
3b. Bush may be lying about everything. But when it comes to 9-11 he is truthfull.
4. We don't care about scientific arguments. It is more important for us to be PC.
5. We don't like scepticism if inappropriate. Remember it got to be PC.

This was just a few for ya Bush lovers. Feel free to add some more. I may add a few more later.
 
pagan said:
The anti truther credos are:

1. Bush is our friend
2. Bush is a nice guy.
3a. Bush always tells the truth.
3b. Bush may be lying about everything. But when it comes to 9-11 he is truthfull.
4. We don't care about scientific arguments. It is more important for us to be PC.
5. We don't like scepticism if inappropriate. Remember it got to be PC.

This was just a few for ya Bush lovers. Feel free to add some more. I may add a few more later.
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*LOL* :D

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72276
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6
 
kimota said:
From Alex Jones himself about dealing with those that oppose the twoofer view:
Don't respond to them, never respond to them and stick with your talking points.
Try to discredit them first.
If you get into trouble, throw out "strawman" or "yellow journalism".
Before venturing out, inform the group that you will be polite and just talk. Warn that detractors will try to double-team you or engage in a shouting match, but don't fall for that. However, when it comes down to it, double-teaming and shouting down detractors is acceptable.

Pro twoofer message boards are indispensable. You can copiously congratulate each other for your latest YouTube discovery. You can also state that you went to JREF and "totally destroyed Gravy's arguments" when you mean you "totally put Gravy on ignore".
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Amateur ... ;)

Television interview technique (1): Go in with something to say and say it--irrespective of the question. You can always say "That's not the real question" and then ask the one you want to answer.
(2): If the interviewer says "A lot of people are worried..." say "What do you mean, a lot of people? Name six!" They can never think of more than two.
(3): If a question is tricky, attack one word in it "Frequently? What do you mean Frequently?"
(4): Attack the interviewer: "You obviously haven't read the White Paper".
(5): Ask a question back. "That's a very good question. Now let me ask you one".
(6): Say "There are ten points I'd like to make in reply." There is never time for ten points, so when they ask you to give just three, say that would be trivializing the issue. Anything that really interests the viewer can be dismissed as trivializing. (Sir Humphrey Appleby - Yes Prime Minister)
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When in doubt, use your bullhorn.

Always miss the point. If you always miss the point, they can't defeat you.

If you start to lose, call your opponent a neocon (ouch!).

When you're really whupped, declare a phony victory and quit. Report to Sock Puppet Central to receive new identity.
 
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pagan said:
The anti truther credos are:

1. Bush is our friend
2. Bush is a nice guy.
3a. Bush always tells the truth.
3b. Bush may be lying about everything. But when it comes to 9-11 he is truthfull.
4. We don't care about scientific arguments. It is more important for us to be PC.
5. We don't like scepticism if inappropriate. Remember it got to be PC.

This was just a few for ya Bush lovers. Feel free to add some more. I may add a few more later.
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Some good new ones there.

"Bush told lies, so he is lying about 911"
"If you don't think the US government carried out the WTC attacks, you are defending Bush. Bush is evil. Therefore you are evil."

CT sillygisms.

There's also the 25k argument from patriotism.

"You think a few cavemen killed thousands of Americans with box cutters. So you are unpatriotic. I think it was the US government, armed forces, police, CIA and fire department. Which means I love my country very much."
 
PerryLogan said:
When in doubt, use your bullhorn.

Always miss the point. If you always miss the point, they can't defeat you.

If you start to lose, call your opponent a neocon (ouch!).

When you're really whupped, declare a phony victory and quit. Report to Sock Puppet Central to receive new identity.
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Sieze on the irrelevant detail. This is important, but it has to be combined with getting all your own details hopelessly wrong - both relevant and irrelevant.

Sometimes this works well. If you can get debunkers discussing the long list of factual errors, they can be distracted from the totally invalid reasoning.
 
westprog said:
Some good new ones there.

"Bush told lies, so he is lying about 911"
"If you don't think the US government carried out the WTC attacks, you are defending Bush. Bush is evil. Therefore you are evil."

CT sillygisms.

There's also the 25k argument from patriotism.

"You think a few cavemen killed thousands of Americans with box cutters. So you are unpatriotic. I think it was the US government, armed forces, police, CIA and fire department. Which means I love my country very much."
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The 9-11 issue is very much tied to the Iraq war and the "war on terrorism". In these events Bush has told only lies. WMD etc etc.
These events were the direct result of 9-11.

So yes, Bush has told so many lies so why trust him (his adm) on the 9-11 issue? You have to be very (extremly) naive to belive the Bush adm regarding 9-11 when it was the catalyst for these clearly desired events.

Syllygisms? Let's see? So Bush is not evil? Hasn't it been proved that 9-11 had nothing whatsoever to do with Saddam? Bush himself have admitted that. Saddam had no WMD's. The reasons for going to war were false.

So, yes if you still believe in Bush and support him. You either have to be real fokkin stupid or plain evil.


Well , we have two competing conspiracy theories here our option that elements within the Bushadm did it or 19 muslim cokeheads directed from a cave in Afghanistan by a kidney patient.

Our version is much more belieable IMO. Who ordered the standdown of NORAD? The kidney patient or Cheney?
 
pagan said:
The 9-11 issue is very much tied to the Iraq war and the "war on terrorism". In these events Bush has told only lies. WMD etc etc.
These events were the direct result of 9-11.

So yes, Bush has told so many lies so why trust him (his adm) on the 9-11 issue? You have to be very (extremly) naive to belive the Bush adm regarding 9-11 when it was the catalyst for these clearly desired events.

Syllygisms? Let's see? So Bush is not evil? Hasn't it been proved that 9-11 had nothing whatsoever to do with Saddam? Bush himself have admitted that. Saddam had no WMD's. The reasons for going to war were false.

So, yes if you still believe in Bush and support him. You either have to be real fokkin stupid or plain evil.


Well , we have two competing conspiracy theories here our option that elements within the Bushadm did it or 19 muslim cokeheads directed from a cave in Afghanistan by a kidney patient.

Our version is much more belieable IMO. Who ordered the standdown of NORAD? The kidney patient or Cheney?
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There was no NORAD standown.

There is evidence that Bush was dishonest about WMDs.

There is no evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

That's the difference: evidence - not anybody's opinion of Bush, that's irrelevant.
 
pagan said:
The 9-11 issue is very much tied to the Iraq war and the "war on terrorism". In these events Bush has told only lies. WMD etc etc.
These events were the direct result of 9-11.

So yes, Bush has told so many lies so why trust him (his adm) on the 9-11 issue? You have to be very (extremly) naive to belive the Bush adm regarding 9-11 when it was the catalyst for these clearly desired events.

Syllygisms? Let's see? So Bush is not evil? Hasn't it been proved that 9-11 had nothing whatsoever to do with Saddam? Bush himself have admitted that. Saddam had no WMD's. The reasons for going to war were false.

So, yes if you still believe in Bush and support him. You either have to be real fokkin stupid or plain evil.


Well , we have two competing conspiracy theories here our option that elements within the Bushadm did it or 19 muslim cokeheads directed from a cave in Afghanistan by a kidney patient.

Our version is much more belieable IMO. Who ordered the standdown of NORAD? The kidney patient or Cheney?
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Boy, you need to go to the politics
subforum and you will see that nobody
praises Bush in here.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72276
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6

So please, stop whining... :rolleyes:
 
Pagan! I'm British. So is Maccy.

I'm also involved in left-wing activism, and am a carrot-munching vegan hippie doing a liberal arts doctorate with a proto-Marxist supervisor. I'm rabidly anti-war, anti-guns, pro-choice, anti-religious (and atheist). I'm very concerned about the Patriot Act, and laws modelled on it in my country. I have written to my MP on these issues. I believe in non-heirachical, local politics. I'm tattooed from shin to wrist and back again. Basically, I'm about as far from a GOP supporter as it might be possible to get.

Accepting that Arabic terrorism caused 9-11 does not mean accepting that there was no subsequent manipulation of the situation for political ends. You can be very anti-Bush without having to resort to decrying the laws of physics!

As I've stated before in these forums, all this talk of imaginary explosives and pretend conspiracies and NWOs and Illuminati and Satanic Death Cults are actually a distraction from the really bad stuff your (and my) government are up to! You're not helping the cause, you're very much hindering it. And it's very, very frustrating.

You come across as quite young. A teenager, or just slightly older. You'll learn about the world in time, son, and you'll realise that grey is much more interesting, and plausible, to black and white. Left-wing politics is not about claiming the Bush and the GOP are the Devil, and the sooner you realise this, the better!
 
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