The "28 pages" thread

[jimd3100]

Bandar and his wife are mentioned as supporting someone on the list, ostensibly for a charitable purpose.

I believe this very thing is discussed in those 28 pages. Bassnan was known for years to be a terrorist. He was already known (by the FBI) to have hosted parties in Washington D.C. for Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, commonly known in the United States as "The Blind Sheikh". The money Bandar was giving Bassnan(it wasn't just the wives) kept coming after the health issues no longer applied and was then turned over to Bayoumi and then found it's way to the hijackers. This is what the informants FBI handler testified to at a classified hearing of the Joint Inquiry......

"Several members were "appalled" at what informed sources described as the "explosive" testimony of Special Agent Steven Butler, who recently retired from the FBI after his final posting in the bureau's San Diego field office."

"Government officials told U.S. News that Butler disclosed that he had been monitoring a flow of Saudi Arabian money that wound up in the hands of two of the 9/11 hijackers. The two men had rented a room from a man Butler had used as a confidential informant, the sources say. According to officials familiar with his account, Butler said that he had alerted his superiors about the money flows but the warning went nowhere."

"Butler is claiming ... that people [in the FBI] didn't follow up," says a congressional source. Adds another: "He saw a pattern, a trail, and he told his supervisors, but it ended there."
https://web.archive.org/web/2002120...ews.com/usnews/news/features/saudi_021129.htm


Meanwhile as Bandar's money is going to the hijackers,...accidentally of course...........

9-11 commission Chapter 4 footnote 66:

As late as July 3, 2001, the DCI was pressing Bandar, conveying the urgent need for information. CIA cable, DCI meeting with Bandar, July 3, 2001
http://www.faqs.org/docs/911/911Report-499.html

That's the big question...what information did the Saudis share? Well according to the CIA not much....

9-11 commission Chapter 4 footnote 67:
The Saudis, however, were reluctant to provide details of incomplete investigations and highly sensitive to any information related to Saudi nationals, particularly those in the Kingdom
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

But Bandar has another story.....

Speaking to the Arabic satellite network Al-Arabiya on Thursday, Bandar -- now Abdullah's national security adviser -- said Saudi intelligence was "actively following" most of the September 11, 2001, plotters "with precision."

"If U.S. security authorities had engaged their Saudi counterparts in a serious and credible manner, in my opinion, we would have avoided what happened," he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/01/saudiarabia.terrorism/index.html

However unnamed U.S. sources say ignore this....I guess he's just joking?

A knowledgeable U.S. official told CNN that Bandar's comments should be taken "with a grain of salt."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/01/saudiarabia.terrorism/index.html

But the question remains, what information was being exchanged?

U.S. and Saudi officials confirm the Saudis created a terror task force as early as 1997 to exchange information with the United States. They usually met once a month either in Riyadh or Washington.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2003/10/16/saudis-us-disclose-intel-operations-on-terror.html

We can all watch Tenet lie under oath at the Joint Inquiry and Commission hearings here....

Joint Inquiry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF38P58-rdo

9-11 Commission:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cIo33eVSKg

Why give a free pass to Bandar? AFAIK Tenet wasn't "accidentally" funding the hijackers? ....

Interview of Prince Bandar of the Government of Saudi Arabia
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610777?q=2610777

CIA officers familiar with the agency's relationship with Saudi Arabia say that about once a month, Tenet would slip away from CIA headquarters and travel to Bandar's nearby estate in McLean, Virginia, for quiet talks."

"Bandar and Tenet had a very close relationship," said one CIA officer. "Bandar had a unique role, he was in charge of the American relationship for Saudi Arabia."

"But some CIA officers handling Saudi issues complain that Tenet would not tell them what he had discussed with Bandar, making it difficult for agency officials to know the nature of any deals their boss was arranging with the Saudis." page 188
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743270665/centerforcoop-20#noop


"Bandar had a unique role, he was in charge of the American relationship for Saudi Arabia."

And how did that work out again?...

A small sample of why your fantasy is nonsense......

U.S. Government’s hope of eventually obtaining Saudi cooperation was unrealistic because Saudi assistance to the U.S. Government on this matter is contrary to Saudi national interests -- page 142/858

The Treasury Department General Counsel testified at the July 23, 2002 hearing about the lack of Saudi cooperation

A number of U. S. Government officials complained to the Joint Inquiry about a lack of Saudi cooperation in terrorism investigations both before and after the September 11 attacks --- page 143/858
http://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

The unclassified sections of the report quote a host of U.S. officials as saying the Saudis were unhelpful at best in the years before the attacks, and that they did little to help investigate them for at least 18 months afterward.
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/29/nation/na-saudi29

So it's all a coincidence/misunderstanding? ......Bandar is just the Arab version of a Keystone cop?

 

[Oystein]

Jon Gold won't see this here, and I wonder if he sees this on 911Blogger and comments:
Truthers agitating against the victims' and families' cause:
http://911blogger.com/news/2015-09-13/sharyl-attkisson-debuts-28-pages-report#comment-263204

28 pages of misdirection

https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/28-pages-of-misdirection/#more-2842

28 pages of misdirection is written on no-plane Craig McKee's blog "Truth and Shadows" by Dick Atlee, Ken Freeland, and Cheryl Curtiss. I recognize the latter two as frequent participants in the monthly "9/11 Truth and Other Deep State Crimes Teleconference", of which McKee and Freeland are the hosts.

Now, all of a sudden, these same mainstream media, echoing prestigious players like former US Senator Bob Graham, are on the rampage about a “9/11 cover-up,” and are pushing for the release of 28 redacted pages [...]! So…let’s all of us 9/11 Truthers jump aboard this fast moving train with both feet, right?

Color be bad, but I can't help spotting the following phrases:

...the role played by Bush-administration neocons and their Zionist bedfellows ... consider the not unlikely possibility that the real players in 9/11 were not the Saudis, but rather the Bush neocons and their Israeli partners in crime ... focus would now be on the Saudis, and off the Neocons and their Zionist bedfellows ...

Ok, I get it already: "THE JEWS DID IT!"

The article is a all-out attack on truther Les Jamieson, who is running hr14.org. It lists the old scumbag Kevin Ryan as an early adopter of the "**** on fellow truthers" strategy.
What about Wayne Coste, who is not mentioned? Coste supports Jamieson on this issue, and he has lately been one of AE911Truth's most effective activists (despite parting from Gage's organisation and setting up his own project). Jamieson, too, is usually identified by the "Truth Teleconference" as representing AE911T.

In the comments section, another of the few AE911 activists that are actually still active in 2015, Dan Noel, weighs in: Strangely (or should I say: smartly) not taking sides. Noel probably understands that the attack is really directed against the yes-plane faction, and ultimately about control of the movement - hence against Richard Gage. McKee has recently, during the Teleconference, opined that Gage is no longer calling the shots at AE911 - perhaps that's wishful thinking on McKee's part, or rather he tries to convince the others in that conference that the yes-planers are on the way out...

Further in the comments, Adam Syed recalls how, in 2013, he attacled Kevin Ryan because Ryan "believes in both the controlled demolition inside job, AND the hijackings scenario".

Ah the sweet smell of schism! As "hybridrogue1" puts it so aptly in another comment: "We are in fact divided amongst ourselves as a result of this tempest of ******** coming from within the 9/11 Truth community itself. As Dorothy said, “I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore Toto.”"



NB:
The article fails to mention the victims and families... Jon Gold, are you reading?

 

[jimd3100]

The so called 9-11 truth movement has been assisting the U.S. Government with it's cover up for years. Saudi Involvement is a cover up. It cost hundreds of thousands of lives in Iraq along with the lives of 4000 of my fellow soldiers(I re-enlisted after 9-11), not to mention the credibility of the U.S.

The Joint Inquiry completed it's report in Dec of 2002, but even the unclassified version was delayed release to the public until July of 2003. Iraq was invaded in March of 2003.

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Kevin Ryan said..."But your love of the simple-minded, racist official conspiracy theory does not hold up to scrutiny."

Hussein wasn't the one funneling money to the hijackers it was Bandar and the Saudis.. But you don't want to talk about that.

BTW the Saudis want us to spend our money and spill our blood going after Iran to. It's not just Israel. Some of us want our country back.

Since you want to label some of us "racists" for exposing the 9-11 cover up, and you want to assist a treasonous turd like Bush in keeping their cover up going, one could label you a traitor. ------ jimd3100 on Fri, 03/02/2012 - 4:19pm.
http://911blogger.com/news/2012-02-...1-what-really-happened-and-why#comment-255646

I'm not interested in protecting Islamic Radicals, which doesn't help my "9-11 truth" credentials. The truth of 9-11 is infinitely more important than a so called 9-11 truth movement.

 

[beachnut]

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BTW the Saudis want us to spend our money and spill our blood going after Iran to. It's not just Israel. Some of us want our country back. ...

Where did you misplace your country. That was some top grade BS. It appears you are in a special branch of 911 truth, one with no evidence yet, only leaps of BS, and at least you are not a thermite believer, CD believer, etc...

Are you saying the might be Saudis in the 28 pages, knew the 19 dolts were going to kill Americans and funded them; or they funded them and had no clue what they were doing. Gee whiz, the whole country of Saudi Arabia is funded by the government. Are you going to blame people for funding pilot training, and living expenses for fake students...

Looks like Kevin missed his Comet.

 

[jimd3100]

That was some top grade BS. It appears you are in a special branch of 911 truth

Yes, and it appears you are in a special branch of "Pilots for 9-11 debunkers", like comparing Bob Graham to R. Balsamo....

Wait, Bob Graham was Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee and he led the inquiry into 911 on the Intelligence side? He was responsible for the failure of Intelligence on his watch, and he writes a book on how bad he was, and blames other people. That is cool, he was in-charge, and he blames others. Politics.

Balsamo blames other people he can't name, Graham blames other people for his failure, ones he can't name.

But he does name them, in the 28 pages that have been covered up. Looks like you and K Ryan share the same ideas......

The racism is covert, - Is old Bob racist? Down deep?

A thread based on a blog by Bob, who sells books about his failure in the Senate Intel committee.

Kevin Ryan said...

"But your love of the simple-minded, racist official conspiracy theory does not hold up to scrutiny."

http://911blogger.com/news/2012-02-...1-what-really-happened-and-why#comment-255646

Like a good 9-11 truther, you are doing your part to protect guilty Saudis involved in the 9-11 plot, Did you train Balsamo or did Balsamo train you?....

Those involved were executed by the Saudi Government, heads rolled.

If any Saudis were found to know the plot, the Saudi government would execute them the next day.

Bayoumi, Thumairy, Bassnan, Al-rashid, are just a few....Bandar needs to be held accountable and answer for his actions as well....

"In 1993, the FBI received reports that Bassnan had hosted a party for the “Blind Sheikh” in Washington, D.C. in 1992. However, the FBI did not open an investigation]." pages 178-179
https://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

"After September 11, the FBI developed information clearly indicating that Bassnan is an extremist and a Bin Ladin supporter." -page 177
https://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

"Connections of San Diego PENTTBOMB Subjects to the Government of Saudi Arabia"
https://web.archive.org/web/2013062...02-10-09-FBI-Saudi-Links-May-Be-Conflated.pdf

According to court documents I have accessed Basnan and his wife are convicted felons. Seems that he had a bad habit of doctoring their visas so that his wife could marry other people to get welfare benefits..........

These cost 10 cents per page--I went ahead and paid the bill for you..........

Osama Yousef Basnan (1)
Office: San Diego Filed: 09/11/2002
County: San Diego Terminated: 10/21/2002 Reopened:
Magistrate Case: 3:02-mj-02028

Complaint Citation: Offense Level:
18:1546(a) - Possessing and Making False Entry Documents (Felony) [ 3:02-m -2028 ]
Count: 1 Citation: 18:1546.F Offense Level: 4
18:1546(a) - Possessing and Making False Entry Documents
Count: 2 Citation: 18:1546.F Offense Level: 4
18:1546(a); 18:2 -Possessing and Making False Entry Documents; Aiding and Abetting
Defendant Custody Status: Released
https://ecf.casd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/qrySummary.pl?49232

pleaded guilty - Possessing and making false documents.
https://ecf.casd.uscourts.gov/doc1/03711659142

Basnan's wife:

Majeda Ibrahim Dweikat (1)
Office: San Diego Filed: 09/04/2002
County: San Diego Terminated: 10/21/2002 Reopened:
Magistrate Case: 3:02-mj-01988

Complaint Citation: Offense Level:
18:1546 - Possessing and using false entry documents [ 3:02-m -1988 ]
Count: 1 Citation: 18:1546.F Offense Level: 4
18:1546(a) - Fraud and Misuse of Entry Document
Defendant Custody Status: Custody This Court's Jurisdiction
https://ecf.casd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/qrySummary.pl?49080

Count 1- On or about January 29,1999, within the Southern District of California, defendant, Majeda Ibrahim Dweikat, did knowingly utter, use, and possess an Employment Authorization Document (I-766) bearing number A075-962-078, which the defendant knew to be procured by means of a false statement, in that the defendant used the Document to establish her indentification and eligibility for welfare benefits, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1546(a).
https://ecf.casd.uscourts.gov/doc1/03712128603

Approximately sixteen months after Dweikat's and Basnan's entry into the United States, on November 6, 1997, Michael Andrew Mason, a U.S. citizen, executed INS Form I-130 "Petition for Alien Relative," indicating that Dweikat was his wife....The Form I-130 was accompanied by a copy of a marriage certificate from the Commonwealth of Virginia which indicated that Mason and Dweikat were married on October 20, 1997. Dweikat potentially qualified for lawful permanent resident status as a result of this purported "marriage/relationship" with Mason (a U.S. citizen).

On February 8, 2000, the INS, Baltimore, Maryland Office denied Dweikat's immigration petition, i.e. application for permanent residence status. At the same time, Dweikat's case was referred to INS Criminal Investigations Section because it was determined that Dweikat was involved in a sham marriage to Michael Andrew Mason which was entered into for the purpose of procuring immigration benefits.
https://ecf.casd.uscourts.gov/doc1/03712128603

"Dweikat's case was referred to INS Criminal Investigations Section because it was determined that Dweikat was involved in a sham marriage...."

And during this time not only were they funneling money from Bandar to Bayoumi who then used it to help the hijackers, they were also trying to get 20th hijacker Ramzi Binalshibh into the U.S.............

9-11 Commission interview of FBI Agent investigating Basnan....

"When asked whether there were any other 9/11 leads he found interesting, ________stated that one interesting fact is that Osama Basnan's_________________________was in phone and e-mail contact with Ramzi Binalshibh in September 2000.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20300246/Mfr-Nara-t1a-FBI-FBI-Special-Agent-63-11-17-03-00458

Or as the 9-11 commission reported this in a footnote in the back of the book.....

“Even after the last application was rejected, Binalshibh sought ways to get a visa, such as by marrying a U.S. citizen. He corresponded by email with a woman in California, but Atta told him to discontinue this effort.”- footnote 52 page 536/585
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

They are the ones not mentioning names and leaving out the phone correspondence.

9-11 Commission meeting with Saudi Officials:

Philip Zelikow began with an overview of the Commission's work and asked questions on the Kingdom's willingness and capacity to fight terrorism, both before and after September 11 2001.

Nizar expressed disbelief about the allegations regarding Princess Haifa, noting that it was preposterous that she was involved in terrorism. Zelikow expressed understanding of this position and explained that the interest was primarily due to the unclear role of Osama Bassnan - if the Commission could learn more about his role, everything could be put in a clearer perspective."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20556754/MFR-NARA-NA-Saudi-Arabia-Madani-Nizar-10-15-03-01186

9-11 Commission Interview of Osama Basnan:

"The interview failed to yield any new information of note. Instead, in the writer's opinion, it established beyond cavil the witness' utter lack of credibility on virtually every material subject."
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01193.pdf

That was some top grade BS. It appears you are in a special branch of 911 truth

You really have nothing to offer on the subject do you?

The racism is covert, - Is old Bob racist? Down deep?

How embarrassing! Perhaps you and K Ryan have more in common than you'd care to admit.

 

[beachnut]

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The racism is covert, - Is old Bob racist? Down deep?.

How embarrassing! Perhaps you and K Ryan have more in common than you'd care to admit.

What are you talking about?
I asked a rhetorical question based on BS from other sources.
No wonder your logic is flawed, you failed to realize much of anything. It matcher your BS on whatever you are trying to say.

You take rhetorical statements and make up BS claims; like your conclusions. Maybe you might want to wait for the 28 pages before making up what you think is in the 28 pages, when Old Bob is selling books, and blaming intel failure on others when he was the man... \\\
Nothing to offer on the subject of stuff politicians have ranted about, 28 pages we have no idea what is really in them, as politicians BS about them. Wowzer, you offer BS, on stuff politicians BS about, and make claims that are empty, based on what you think people might of known, but you don't know what they knew.

What did I say?

Making false claims of racism wether it's holocaust revisionism accusations...

The Holocaust deniers are dumber than dirt, making them racist idiots, and have nothing to do with 911 Truth, save they are ripe for falling for idiotic claims from 911 Truth.

The racism is covert, -

From the outset of the Congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11, it seemed implausible that the hijackers -- most of whom spoke no English and had never been to the U.S. -- could have executed the heinous plot on their own. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-graham/911-saudi-arabia_b_1868863.html

Is old Bob racist? Down deep? Who penned the book promotion blog entry?
How do you find these fake news stories filled with irony? When will 60 minutes run with your "shoot-down means stand-down" stuff?

A thread based on a blog by Bob, who sells books about his failure in the Senate Intel committee.

How is the old "shoot-down means stand-down" BS going?

What does all the BS you spam have to do with 28 pages? Maybe we will find out.
Old Bob was selling his book; so Old Bob the politician makes up BS about stuff to sell his book, called advertizing/marketing, I have no idea if he is racist; my comment was about the news article where people think other people can't fly, or kill, or crash planes because of the BS in the article mentioned. It is BS too.

I am sorry if I took your BS out of context, I can't find any context to your spam, it is like the BS about the stand-down being a stand-down because shoot-down means stand-down, or something.

The Balsamo stuff is cute; but it seem like that part could be projection BS out of context.

Yet, I think you are basing your BS on what might be something like... "Instead, in the writer's opinion, """ lol, opinion

Cool, everyone has one, or ...

28 pages, seems like if there was super duper stuff, it would have leaked by now to save the free world from ... will it show Saudis secretly drink beer, ...

Is Balsamo your hero, or what

 

[jimd3100]

You really have nothing to offer on the subject do you?

Answer: No.

No wonder your logic is flawed, you failed to realize much of anything. It matcher your BS on whatever you are trying to say.

LOL..Blah.. BS..Blah...BS.. And furthermore....

Old Bob was selling his book; so Old Bob the politician makes up BS about stuff to sell his book

LOL!...Yes, it's all a conspiracy!.....Those darn people that have read those pages are in cahoots with "old Bob", the "possible racist", to BS the public in order to buy books from the "Old, Possible Racist Politician" who is really to blame for failure on 9-11! LOL! Nice theory. Or in other words...

You really have nothing to offer on the subject do you?

 

[beachnut]

... who is really to blame for failure on 9-11! LOL! Nice theory. Or in other words...

No, I can't match the BS 911 truth makes up about 28 pages they have not seen, based on BS statements made by politicians who can't speak about what is in the 28 pages. It is called polotics, thinking they can gather support by spewing nonsense about what they can't talk about, as they spread BS about it. Nope, can't match the BS claims and conclusions 911 truth comes up with. Can you? Yes

No I can't offer the same BS as the shoot down stand down BS nonsense. Can you? Yes

 

[jimd3100]

It is called polotics, thinking they can gather support by spewing nonsense about what they can't talk about, as they spread BS about it.

polotics

Many people think this is an incorrect spelling of the more popular word "politics" but this is a myth. Polotics is actually a sport similar to polo but is played by two teams consisting of rich old men. There are only two teams, the Democrats, (blue, their mascot is a donkey) and Republicans (red, their mascot is an elephant). National Championships are held every four years with the Democrats winning the most recent one which was held in 2008.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Polotics

However....

“They’re the most consequential pages in the thousand-page report.” At a 2014 press conference, Massie said the experience was “shocking,” and that he had to “stop every couple pages and try to rearrange my understanding of history.” Republican Thomas Massie

Rep. Massie speaks at Press Conference Regarding 9/11 Documents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItE28oeMnas

"Here are some facts".... - Democrat Bob Graham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy97uKT6hjE&feature=youtu.be&t=21m40s

"The families deserve to know the truth and the American people as well." -- Republican Walter Jones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KadgbC4EtNo

"Not only is it the right thing to do from a transparency point of view," said Rep. Lynch. "I think it will inform our foreign policy and national security policy going forward."
Put it out there," Lynch said. "And if you think it's false, go ahead and punch holes in it." -- Democrat Stephen Lynch
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/congressmen-demand-release-of-report-on-saudi-role-in-911-attacks/

LOL!...Yes, it's all a conspiracy!.....Those darn people that have read those pages are in cahoots with "old Bob", the "possible racist", to BS the public in order to buy books from the "Old, Possible Racist Politician" who is really to blame for failure on 9-11! LOL! Nice theory.

Perhaps your conspiracy theory will gain traction on the lets roll forums, might want to tweek it so that the Dems and Reps are joining together to blame Saudi Arabia, as the final "End Game" of their Muslim hating racist genocideal rampage. Maybe Kevin Barrett can write the forward to your future pulitzer prize winning book. Or in other words....

You really have nothing to offer on the subject do you?

How embarrassing! Perhaps you and K Ryan have more in common than you'd care to admit.

Did you train Balsamo or did Balsamo train you?

 

[beachnut]

polotics

...
Did you train Balsamo or did Balsamo train you?

Balsamo? Don't think he was a USAF instructor, as you can see me next to "my" T-38... don't think he could handle the white rocket...
What does Balsamo have with the 28 pages or me? I learned to fly from a 60 year old instructor, then USAF instructors, and then I was an USAF instructor pilot, an aircraft accident investigator, an engineer at AFWAL, and I flew heavy jets... (aircraft that can be over 300,000 pounds)

Thus the failed claims of Balsamo are only related in sprite to the BS about the 28 pages.

Old Bob was selling books and made political statements about BS to help publicizes his book. Maybe you should write a book, there is a market for BS about 911; or has it dried up.

Then you post BS to back up the BS you posted; as politicians work to win an audiance with BS about the 28 pages. Ironically, they can't talk about the 28 pages. Make it silly and so like politicians to make a fake stand on stuff they can't comment on in the first place. Then you rinse and repeat, with the Balsamo super weak insult - ... what does Balsamo have to do with the 28 pages and my flight training in the USAF? Nothing, thus you have run out of opinions on the 28 pages, one could hope, until they are released, or not.

 

[jimd3100]

These are not "my opinions", they are all sourced and sourced to court documents, FBI reports, 9-11 commission notes, and the Joint Inquiry report.......

"In 1993, the FBI received reports that Bassnan had hosted a party for the “Blind Sheikh” in Washington, D.C. in 1992. However, the FBI did not open an investigation]." pages 178-179
https://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

"After September 11, the FBI developed information clearly indicating that Bassnan is an extremist and a Bin Ladin supporter." -page 177
https://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

"Connections of San Diego PENTTBOMB Subjects to the Government of Saudi Arabia"
https://web.archive.org/web/2013062...02-10-09-FBI-Saudi-Links-May-Be-Conflated.pdf

According to court documents I have accessed Basnan and his wife are convicted felons.

And during this time not only were they funneling money from Bandar to Bayoumi who then used it to help the hijackers, they were also trying to get 20th hijacker Ramzi Binalshibh into the U.S

Osama Bassnan - if the Commission could learn more about his role, everything could be put in a clearer perspective."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20556754/MFR-NARA-NA-Saudi-Arabia-Madani-Nizar-10-15-03-01186

"The interview failed to yield any new information of note. Instead, in the writer's opinion, it established beyond cavil the witness' utter lack of credibility on virtually every material subject."
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01193.pdf

you have run out of opinions on the 28 pages, one could hope, until they are released, or not.

LOL! Yes, I forced the FBI Federal Courts and the Joint Inquiry and 9-11 Commission to express my opinions. Another terrible conspiracy theory. LOL! Here is an example of opinion....

Old Bob was selling books and made political statements about BS to help publicizes his book.

That would be you, not me.

What does all the BS you spam have to do with 28 pages?

Quite a bit

United States needs Saudi bases to stage a possible invasion of Iraq. Administration officials reluctantly confirmed to NEWSWEEK that money had moved from Princess Haifa's account to al-Bayoumi, but they stressed that they do not know the purpose of the payments or whether any Saudi officials were even aware of them. "The facts are unclear, and there's no need to rush to judgment," said one administration official. In meetings with intelligence committee leaders, Vice President Dick Cheney, Attorney General John Ashcroft and others have adamantly rejected attempts to declassify the information, citing national-security concerns.
http://www.newsweek.com/saudi-money-trail-140813

The checks from Princess Haifa stopped when Basnan was arrested for visa fraud last August.
Osama Basnan showed up in Houston last April when Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah came to town with a vast entourage en route to President George W. Bush's ranch. According to informed sources, Basnan met with a high Saudi prince who has responsibilities for intelligence matters and is known to bring suitcases full of cash into the United States
http://www.newsweek.com/saudi-money-trail-140813

I learned to fly from a 60 year old instructor

I don't care. You seem to have trouble staying on topic. Balsamo does the same thing constantly telling people he's a pilot so they should listen to him. I don't care if you and Balsamo flew jets or kites.

I flew heavy jets

Can't stay on a topic you know nothing about. Did you train Balsamo or did he train you? Nevermind. I don't care. Or, are you claiming that's in the 28 pages? LOL!

they can't talk about the 28 pages.

Oh? Because if they did talk about the 28 pages it might go something like this .......

Kentucky Representative Thomas Massie described the experience of being escorted to a soundproof room to read the redacted section, and his personal feelings as he learned for the first time precisely what is being concealed from the public.

His remarks are striking, as is his conviction that the information should be declassified. Indeed, his words played no small role in prompting the launch of 28Pages.org.

We’ve cued up the video to that particular part of his statement, but it’s worthwhile to listen to him from the beginning as well.
http://28pages.org/2014/07/17/video-rep-massie-on-the-experience-of-reading-the-28-pages/

I flew heavy jets

Hey sherlock, tell us why this guy....

"After September 11, the FBI developed information clearly indicating that Bassnan is an extremist and a Bin Ladin supporter." -page 177
https://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

That supports the leader of a group that is out to overthrow the Saudi Government, instead of having his head cut off, is being protected? Or why the only two governments to recognize the Taliban as a legitimate Government...you know the Taliban, that gave refuge and protection to the group dedicated to the overthrow of the Saudi Government? Are Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? Even after 9-11....

The United Arab Emirates cut ties with the Taliban, the Islamic militia that claims to be the ruling regime of Afghanistan. Now, only two nations, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, recognize the Taliban as the legitimate Afghan government.

The move gave a significant boost to the U.S. diplomatic efforts to put pressure on the Taliban to hand over Osama bin Laden, whom President Bush has named the "prime suspect" in the deadly Sept. 11 hijacking attacks on America.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92457

U.S. Government’s hope of eventually obtaining Saudi cooperation was unrealistic because Saudi assistance to the U.S. Government on this matter is contrary to Saudi national interests -- page 142/858
http://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

Because Al Qaeda was created by Saudi Intelligence. Bin Laden was a Saudi Intelligence Asset and a Pakistani Intelligence Asset. His handler in Pakistan is not exactly a secret...

Brigadier Ijaz Shah is a retired Pakistan Army officer and the former Director-General of Intelligence Bureau of Pakistan, and a long-term close associate of Pervez Musharraf, and a former Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) operator.
Shah was the ISI handling officer of the British-born international terrorist Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, convicted for the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl and part of the terrorist group Harkat-ul-Mujahideen as well as the handling officer for Osama Bin Laden and Mulla Mohammed Omar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ijaz_Shah

I learned to fly from a 60 year old instructor

Do you think the Families of the 9-11 victims should issue a public apology to your terrorist friends?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy97uKT6hjE&feature=youtu.be&t=32m3s

I flew heavy jets

That's wonderful, have you considered submitting your resume to take this guys place and help out your terrorists friends, sounds like it would be a fun job for you....

Fahad Abdullah Saleh Bakala: According to an FBI document, Bakala was close friends with two of the September 11th hijackers. The document also notes that Bakala has worked as a pilot for the Saudi Royal Family, flying Usama Bin Ladin between Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia during UBL's exile.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/272443421/2012-048-doc-017

 

[beachnut]

... Kentucky Representative Thomas Massie described the experience of being escorted to a soundproof room to read the redacted section, and his personal feelings as he learned for the first time precisely what is being concealed from the public.

His remarks are striking, as is his conviction that the information should be declassified. ...

And he is talking about what he read, but he can't talk about it; cool.

He can't comment on what he read, it is classified. Why is it, out of the piles of BS, this is the only part on topic. You keep presenting BS about 28 pages which no one can say what is in them.

It would be funny if all the politicians know the pages are not qualifed for declassification for 50 years, and are making politcal statements to act as if there is something important, and they are for the people. That would be classic.

They may be declassified tomorrow, and then we can comment. Otherwise, the weak personal attack remains BS, like the comments by all the people who claim the pages contain important stuff, but they can't say what, it is classified... wowzer

Do you know what is in the pages? No.

Yepper, form news sources, we have...

Massie has read the documents but can't reveal what's in them. ...
"This will not tear our country apart," Massie responded. "It will be embarrassing. It will not endanger us to release this information. But the American public needs to have it. "

See, the old sticking up for the American Public, as his statement is designed to build his capital, hopefully he can cash in before the "embarrassing" stuff is released.

You already solved the big stuff, why do you need the 28 pages? The pages no one can say what is in them?

Even what he said is not allowed. But gee, he is a politician, and BS spewing to increase is political capital is expected; aka first to the board and all that leadership stink are part of the game.

But be sure to reply, and include some more Balsamo failed attacks.

Who knows, maybe the 28 pages will support the failed shoot down means stand down nonsense... or not

lol, I have problems staying on topic... lol

... you are in a special branch of "Pilots for 9-11 debunkers", like comparing Bob Graham to R. Balsamo....

... Looks like you and K Ryan share the same ideas......

... Like a good 9-11 truther, you are doing your part to protect guilty Saudis involved in the 9-11 plot, Did you train Balsamo or did Balsamo train you?....

...How embarrassing! Perhaps you and K Ryan have more in common than you'd care to admit.

... Did you train Balsamo or did Balsamo train you?

...
I don't care. You seem to have trouble staying on topic. Balsamo does the same thing constantly telling people he's a pilot so they should listen to him. I don't care if you and Balsamo flew jets or kites.
...
Can't stay on a topic you know nothing about. Did you train Balsamo or did he train you? Nevermind. I don't care. Or, are you claiming that's in the 28 pages? LOL!
...
That's wonderful, have you considered submitting your resume to take this guys place and help out your terrorists friends, sounds like it would be a fun job for you....

I don't see that we have a thread dedicated to the infamous "28 pages".

Some truthers have set up a pretty good page about this: http://28pages.org/

What's it all about? From the website's FAQ:


There are two current legislative initiatives in Congress, each sponsored by a handful of Congressmen:
House Resolution 14
Senate Bill 1471

My personal take on this issue is that the content of the 28 pages may well be "interesting". It may well no longer compromise "national security" (if indeed it ever did), and I am all for declassifying such stuff.
Many truthers want them declassified too.
Which is strange, as, apparently, the story is that Saudi individuals helped finance a group of 19 terrorists, most of them Saudis, hell-bent on learning how to fly so they could pilot hijacked airliners into 4 iconic targets, for the praise of Allah. I.o.w. a footnote supporting the "official" story.
Other truthers are already calling this (the current drive to release these pages) a limited hang-out, a distraction away from the real perps (Israel - who else ) and a means to rein in a Saudi leadership alleged to break free from their NWO overlords.

Yes the topic...
Old Bob talks about stuff he can't talk about...

: According to former Senator Bob Graham, “The 28 pages primarily relate to who financed 9/11 and they point a very strong finger at Saudi Arabia as being the principal financier.”

Wow, really, the money to go to flight school for Saudis, came from Saudis Bob? really, can't be... gee the money for my flight school training came from the USA... oh...
I suspect all flight training done in the USA by Saudis if funded by Saudis, they have Lots of money. What is new Bob?

Wow, did their living money come from Saudis too? Where do spring break kids get their money from to go raise hell?

Who paid for the knives? Who pays for all foreign students going to school, or pretending to be students in the USA?

How can Bob say what is in the pages, when he can't say what is in the pages? I would be arrested, charged with talking about classified, Bob is making publicity and political capital. How are his book sales going.

Poor 911 truth, thinks the pages will save their claims of CD, etc. Lucky you never shared their delusional claims.

This barely fits in "9/11 Conspiracy Theories", more like politics, and news. I keep thinking of Palo Alto when you post, or the guy who called Boeing. Are you the shoot down means stand down guy? I would look it up, but it is off topic...

I guess it would be embarrassing if we bought McVeigh his fertilizer because he told us it was for his farming project... Or loaned him money to rent his truck to "move".

 

[jimd3100]

This:

Finally, it's as far-fetched as a clandestine, remote-controlled anti-gravity ball to suggest that members of Congress who are pursuing this issue do so largely for political gain. As this very thread demonstrates, politicians involve themselves in this issue at the peril of ridicule by people who, without examining the issue with an open mind, assume any 9/11-related inquiry must be the ravings of mindless oddballs. Relative to championing issues like tax reform, education, defense spending, etc, the political risk-reward profile of this issue is positively unattractive. Also, note that Bob Graham left the Senate years ago, but has continued to champion the issue long after he had votes at stake.

 

[beachnut]

Also, note that Bob Graham left the Senate years ago, but has continued to champion the issue long after he had votes at stake.

LOL, he was in charge of the Intel committee; oops...

Yes, Bob has a book, spewing BS about what he can't talk about; aka, publicity for his Book. Follow the money. lol - guess bobby needs a new car. When you were in charge of intel, you better write the book on it, and set things the way you want.

http://www.amazon.com/Keys-Kingdom-Bob-Graham-ebook/dp/B004Y1NX3M/ref=dp_kinw_strp_1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Graham#/media/File:Graham,_Bob.jpg
wow

We can buy his book for $0.01... bargain. No wonder he was stumping for his book, playing the 28 pages card.

http://www.amazon.com/Bob-Graham/e/B001J3U318/ref=dp_byline_cont_ebooks_1
Did his old books do okay?

He served for 10 years on the Senate Intelligence Committee, which he chaired during and after 9/11

What did he say about the Intel failures? Lucky he was no chair of the Committee... oops


Bob is selling books - guess we have to wait to see the pages, because Bob is not allowed to talk about them.

Is Bob a politician, or what.

 

[jimd3100]

We can buy his book for $0.01... bargain. No wonder he was stumping for his book, playing the 28 pages card.

As an American Tax Payer I've already paid for his first book, which the 28 pages are in. He was one of the co-authors of the.....

REPORT OF THE JOINT INQUIRY INTO THE TERRORIST ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRPT-107hrpt792/pdf/CRPT-107hrpt792.pdf

But Americans are "to free" to see an entire chapter of it. Your conspiracy theory that others that read the pages decide to help him with his book selling and BS the public is not impressive, but dumber than a CITs Flyover at the pentagon theory.

LOL, he was in charge of the Intel committee; oops...

What did he say about the Intel failures? Lucky he was no chair of the Committee... oops

Intelligence Lies:

Head of CIA

Tenet Lies to Joint Inquiry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF38P58-rdo

Tenet Lies to the 9/11 Commission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cIo33eVSKg

Your attempt to switch "Intelligence Failures" from the Guilty to Graham as part of your slander is not convincing, but rather pathetic and not reasonable.

Is Bob a politician, or what.

No, he was. Bush was to, except Bob Graham wants Americans to see what FBI and Congressional Investigators found on their investigation into the worst terrorist attack in history where 3000 people were murdered on live TV.
Bush wanted another Country(and individuals) protected so he could have a War in Iraq. And George Tenet head of the CIA helped him with his goal and was well rewarded.

Should the families of the 9-11 victims issue public apologies to your terrorist friends?

 

[beachnut]

... your terrorist friends...

Ending a post with an off topic lie, a weak personal attack.

Are your video titles lies too? Or failed opinions. And what do they have to do with 28 pages? Why all the SPAM?

Bob Graham served for 10 years on the Senate Intelligence Committee, which he chaired during and after 9/11

 

[Oystein]

Now my immediate occasion to open this thread is a new Petition at whitehouse.gov calling directly on the Obama administration to declassify.
28pages.org's Action Alert is at http://28pages.org/act/petition/

The Petition itself is at
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//p...es-foreign-government-financing-911-hijackers

It was started on August 26, and by the Obama administration's self-imposed rules needs 100,000 signatures within 30 days (September 25) to get at least consideration and a reply.
It may come as little surprise that currently, on the 4th day, they haven't even reached 400 signatures (0.4% of target).
It is trivial to predict that 100,000 signatures is FAR outside the reach of the Truth Movement, since it us made up of a very tiny minority of losers on the far fringe of society, numbering a few ten thousand individuals only, most of which are badly motivated and apathetic.

Perhaps the more interesting yard stick is a similar Petition, also at whitehouse.gov, from January 2014:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...nd-walter-jones-r-nc-declassify-congressional
It ended with only 2,027 signatures (2.0% of target).

Anyone up for bets if the new petition fares better?
I'd wage for "worse".

It's September 25, and the petition is closed now, having reached 1771 of the required 100,000 signatures:

This petition has been archived because it did not meet the signature requirements.

I won my wager - the result is worse than the previous petition's at the same time.

Here is how the signatures came in day by day:



As you usually see with petitions, they get most signatures early, and after day 2, slack off.
This one had two spikes in interest:

• Following Rosie O'Donnell's tweet on September 03
• The 9/11 anniversary

Since the petition needed 100,000 signatures within 30 days, which means more than 3,000 signatures each day on average, it is usefull to visualize the result scaled to those targets:



There was not one day when they got even 10% of the needed 3,333 average.
On most days, the Truth Movement, being a tiny, inconsequential fringe, doesn't even register blips on their own modest scales!

 

[Criteria]

Some people have way too much time on their hands.

 

[beachnut]

Some people have way too much time on their hands.

It is amazing, some people are so darn efficient. Some people can't figure out there was no CD - or the topic is 28 pages.

 

[jimd3100]

Terrorist attacks like this are not exactly uncommon (maybe to the US but, not for the rest of the world)

I guess Americans are so spoiled and sheltered they have no idea that Commercial Passenger Jets flying into Skyscrapers and Military headquarters is practically an everyday occurrence outside it's borders but when it happens to them they make a big deal about it. Crazy huh?

I've seen no evidence that the Saudi state was involved.

In the interest of National Security I think it would make us all safer if the Mods edited your post as follows...

I've seen no <censored> that the <censored> was involved.

Like they should have censored the title of this FBI report .....

"Connections of San Diego PENTTBOMB Subjects to the Government of Saudi Arabia"
https://web.archive.org/web/2013062...02-10-09-FBI-Saudi-Links-May-Be-Conflated.pdf

Another example of to much freedom and not enough government censorship. I'd be safer if I never saw that.

My interest here is to monitor some of the more visible TM groups and report on their activities, and I have concluded that the TM alone is utterly incapable of mustering those kinds of numbers.

An odd interest, more interested in small insignificant "fringe" groups tied to 9/11 than the 9/11 event itself.......

But as long as it keeps him off the streets and helps build self-esteem, who am I to judge?

I won my wager

Congratulations!

Some people have way too much time on their hands.

LOL, I guess not everyone is as congenial as I am.

Those involved were executed by the Saudi Government, heads rolled.

Name who was involved in the 9/11 plot that was executed by the Saudi Government.

When do you think they will find out about Bassnan?

"After September 11, the FBI developed information clearly indicating that Bassnan is an extremist and a Bin Ladin supporter." -page 177
http://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

When do you think they will find out that Thumairy was kicked out of the U.S. for ties to terrorists including Khallad Bin Attash, the mastermind of the U.S. Cole bombing that killed 17 Sailors? And also helped the first hijackers into America?

Is "The Wall" still preventing them from knowing? LOL

Bob is selling books

This is the best one but it's about 9-11, not 9-11 truth groups so it probably wont be as interesting to some of you, perhaps Beachnut can do a book review and expose all of the "BS" in it.

Intelligence Matters: The CIA, the FBI, Saudi Arabia, and the Failure of America's War on Terror

The Joint Inquiry, co-chaired by Senator Bob Graham (D-Florida), was the first and arguably most effective government body to investigate the horrendous 2001 attacks. Indeed, it helped compel a reluctant George W. Bush to establish the 9/11 Commission.

http://www.amazon.com/Intelligence-...318_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1443224790&sr=1-2