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Terror attack in Wisconsin

tyr_13 said:
Don't ignore it, but do contextualize it and better, compare to the arguments of the 'totally not racists'. Avowed white supremacists and other racists often are making the exact same arguments as mainstream conservatives but the latter have a better veil.
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Really great point!


We have them all in one thread today. It is a great time to be a troll, racist and/or ignorant. So cute to see them hanging out together jerkin' each other off. They are so empowered!
 
Bogative said:
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Again say that with your avatar AND a straight face.
 
arthwollipot said:
Skeptic Tank isn't proposing killing all the black people. They're proposing killing all the poor people.
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No, he's not:

Skeptic Tank said:
How about if you are someone who commits violent offenses against other members of society, in the form of provable physical domestic abuse, unprovoked assaults on other people, rape, knife crime and gun crime of any kind - we just straight up execute you?
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It's just that the people that would end up being killed by this criterion would be disproportionately poor and disproportionately black. He also says second or third strike somewhere inn a later post. I don't think any of that is too radical, although I'm not sure the extent to which I agree. Probably more than most here.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
No, he's not:



It's just that the people that would end up being killed by this criterion would be disproportionately poor and disproportionately black. He also says second or third strike somewhere inn a later post. I don't think any of that is too radical, although I'm not sure the extent to which I agree. Probably more than most here.
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There is a reason for the overlap between poverty, violent crime, and being black. Skeptic Tanks "proposal" would take care of all three things at once, at the expense of millions of human lives. Are you really comfortable advocating for mass executions?
 
arthwollipot said:
There is a reason for the overlap between poverty, violent crime, and being black.
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There are definitely reasons. We'd probably disagree on what some of them are, and I don't proclaim to have a full understanding of what they are.

Skeptic Tanks "proposal" would take care of all three things at once, at the expense of millions of human lives. Are you really comfortable advocating for mass executions?
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I don't think it'd be millions of lives, and also obviously the rates of such incidents would go down. Think of the Islamic societies i which they cut off a hand as a penalty for stealing. Not much theft there!

It also wouldn't take care (your words) of poverty and being black, because most poor people and black people don't commit such crimes.

He's basically just advocating for the death penalty (at least in this case). And if you're going to do the death penalty, you're probably going to choose it for those who have repeatedly committed violent crimes against others.
 
Certainly an enthusiasm for a culling spree based on the tentative conclusion of two evolutionary psychology papers would qualify as a 'violent tendency'
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
I don't think it'd be millions of lives, and also obviously the rates of such incidents would go down. Think of the Islamic societies i which they cut off a hand as a penalty for stealing. Not much theft there!
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Oh yes, that's a shining example of civilisation in action! Truly something to aspire to.

sir drinks-a-lot said:
It also wouldn't take care (your words) of poverty and being black, because most poor people and black people don't commit such crimes.
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Like I said, in America there is a strong overlap between the three groups, and it would absolutely be millions of people.

sir drinks-a-lot said:
He's basically just advocating for the death penalty (at least in this case). And if you're going to do the death penalty, you're probably going to choose it for those who have repeatedly committed violent crimes against others.
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He's advocating for a massive expansion of the death penalty and the removal of all precautions and procedures that ensure that it is only ever applied appropriately*. And doing so for reasons that are literally mediaeval.

*Not that such a thing is possible, but for the sake of argument...
 
arthwollipot said:
He's advocating for a massive expansion of the death penalty and the removal of all precautions and procedures that ensure that it is only ever applied appropriately*. And doing so for reasons that are literally mediaeval.

*Not that such a thing is possible, but for the sake of argument...
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* "Appropriately" meaning for anyone whose skin is not white.
 
arthwollipot said:
He's advocating for a massive expansion of the death penalty and the removal of all precautions and procedures that ensure that it is only ever applied appropriately*. And doing so for reasons that are literally mediaeval.

*Not that such a thing is possible, but for the sake of argument...
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OK. I guess we just disagree on what he was saying.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
I know a good way to avoid clogging up the prison system, etc.

How about if you are someone who commits violent offenses against other members of society, in the form of provable physical domestic abuse, unprovoked assaults on other people, rape, knife crime and gun crime of any kind - we just straight up execute you?
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No because that's a relic of the uncivilized and mostly authoritarian past.

But given your affection for totalitarian regimes perhaps that's not surprising.
 
bonzombiekitty said:
Deliberately as in this was a planned attack? No.

IMO, there's 3 possible situations.

1. Planned attack. I'm not convinced of that yet, but it's possible.
2. Really drunk, unable to comprehend what was going on, and just drove into people when he couldn't avoid them anymore. Similar to a drunk person driving the wrong way on a highway.
3. Fleeing from something else, got stuck at the parade and took the risk of trying to drive through it and avoided people as best he could (or just didnt care) until he couldn't anymore.
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Considering his previous statements on social media concerning the joys of smashing elderly whities to death, combined with the speed and path of the weapon involved and the fact that he tried to kill someone with a vehicle before, I'd say this was as deliberate as it comes. How this bag of filth managed to stay out on the street is a disgrace.
 
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Robin said:
Wouldn't the willingness to "cull'" itself count as a "violent tendency"?
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The expressed urge to murder millions of humans is okay as long as it is part of a wish that such an endeavor will one day be legal. I guess.

I seem to remember a Twilight Zone episode centered around a character very much like that, who finds himself empowered to make his wish a reality. I don't think it went well.
 
arthwollipot said:
Skeptic Tank isn't proposing killing all the black people. They're proposing killing all the poor people. It just so happens that a lot of the poor people are also black.
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No, they're proposing killing all the violent people. Are you going to tell me that most of the violent people are black?
 
arthwollipot said:
Oh yes, that's a shining example of civilisation in action! Truly something to aspire to.
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Which I think is one of the primary sticking points, even if we disregard morality. All places with such draconian measures were/are horrible places to live, except for the rich elite, if that.

The best ways to reduce crime have always been better social policies and a better prison system focused on rehabilitation.
 
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