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SweatyYeti's Martian Civilization Evidence Thread

kitakaze said:
There seems to be some confusion with what tubular roads are and what glass worms are. The short answer is that there the same. I think the confusion started here:



Here is the image in that link:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_89614960f1206ae8e.jpg[/qimg]

Correa saw my link and then posted another with a Hoagland link to the tubular road/glass worm image that Alice posted here:



And Gumby confirmed in the following post:



Following Alice's link provides evidence of the tubular road/glass worm image to be a concave feature caused by water once flowing on Mars as I commented here:



After Correa dispelled an idea about lava tubes and spoke of fracture arrays I didn't realize he was speaking of my cracked image and thought he was speaking about the tubular road/glass worm image. So I asked him:



And he answered:



So Correa's last sentence refers to the first tubular roads image I found which had nothing to do with the main tubular road/glass worm image we are looking at.

This is a fracture array:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_89614960f1206ae8e.jpg[/qimg]

And this is a concave feature caused by water flow at one time on Mars:

[qimg]http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd293/AliceShortcake/glass_tubes_closeup.jpg[/qimg]

Several examples of which can be seen where Correa referred to them.
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You know, I was about to post something about this, since I realized that my post was a bit messy. OK, now, as Jack the Ripper used to say, lets go by parts...

"Glass worm"- The best explanation are eolic dunes at the bottom of a valley -the very same explanation presented by TBA AKA Phil Plait. Its a valley and those who see it as a raised feature are experiencing pseudoscopy. A very basic error commited by those with no experience in image interpretation. I think the "ribs" are eolic dunes formed over sediments at the bottom of the valley - the features do not look like the bedforms one would expect to be formed by water flows in arid environments. Yes, the Martian winds may be reworking sediment which was originally carried by water flows. Now, if the valleys themselves were or not carved by water, this is another story. I would need better imagery (a broader image so I could get an idea of context or a more detailed one), but as a rule of thumb, if its meandering, then water carved it. I`m really not sure if, with the images presented, one can actually exclude the possibility of the valleys being part of a rift system. And yes, the valleys could have been created by water carving faults and/or fractures systems.

Here`s a list of UTM coordinates with some examples of bedforms created by water in arid environments; GoogleEarthing them might prove more enlightening than my writing (remember to zoom in or out as needed to see the features - 3 to 4 Km of eye altitude should be OK in most cases):
362932/6995555
539958/8172778
464844/6354023
380274/4502437
436208/4273139
491440/6769565
349394/1151587
613379/4252225
637689/4691402
564723/4685297
602492/3724803

Now some example of eolic dunes morphologies:
540210/3523176
354100/2974168
332426/2948769
490402/7159215
506262/7157432
362537/6995197
343410/7002223
337369/7003791
724291/9710160
762208/9701595
518160/6556995

"Tubular Roads"- Fracture arrays developed over two different types of terrain. Simple as that. Phil Plait will excuse me, but that particular image is, IMHO more interesting and promissing than the "glassworm" when it comes to Mars` past history but I digress.

Now, dunes and fractures apart, nothing presented so far in Mars imagery actually looks like "industrial complexes", "lunar outposts" or artificial features. At least not for anyone with a basic understanding of image interpretation. Honestly, these people who are seeing signs of alien artificial structures on Mars should spend more time doing their homework by studying imagery from Earth (pun intended). Google Earth is your friend, folks.
 
Look I can see you've got all these numbers dude. And I appreciate your expertise. But tell me. Is that easy work? Is plugging in those numbers and getting a picture out of them an easy job?
 
GMB said:
Look I can see you've got all these numbers dude. And I appreciate your expertise. But tell me. Is that easy work? Is plugging in those numbers and getting a picture out of them an easy job?
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Why don't you try posting one single piece of evidence to counter what the geologist is telling you? Was it easy work deciding you were looking at a Martian outpost or did you have to work at it?
 
Well he's posted the numbers and I'd just like to be able to use them.
 
GMB said:
Well he's posted the numbers and I'd just like to be able to use them.
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Yeah, I'm having the same issue. I have Google Earth open, but it doesn't seem to like UTM. The UTM Flyer program I downloaded doesn't appear to work anymore. The UTM conversion website seems to want to know a zone....

Any chance someone could post a little walkthrough for us geo-challenged folks?
 
Only now I remembered that Google Earth will not accept entering coordinates on UTM. Sorry.
Do this- get a software which can make the conversion, such as GPSTrackmaker. Convert them to lat/long then add a placemark (under the add menu) anywhere. The next step is to paste the coordinates under the propper slots in the box. OK, its ready.

The other path would be to browse over the areas from where I took the coordinates after changing at the "Tools->options" menu (3d-view tab) the coordinates from the "show lat/long" to Universal Transverse Mercator. Keep an eye at the cursor`s coordinates at the righ bottom of the image and move it untill you are near the numbers; make sure to do this initially at a low zoom, zooming only when the numbers are close.

Third option, to freely browse over these areas: Sahara (especially Lybia), Saudi Arabia, Skeleton Coast, the Atacama desert (fly to Copiapo, Chile - many interesting features towards North) and Patagonia. This is the funniest way, by trial-and-error. Make sure to zoom in and out frequently to check the scale differences.
 
Correa Neto said:
Only now I remembered that Google Earth will not accept entering coordinates on UTM. Sorry.
Do this- get a software which can make the conversion, such as GPSTrackmaker. Convert them to lat/long then add a placemark (under the add menu) anywhere. The next step is to paste the coordinates under the propper slots in the box. OK, its ready.
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I'll give this a shot. Thanks for the advice.
 
Actually, it looks like he's been banned. He was a feisty one, wasn't he?
 
I only just realized he was back. He was certainly prolific to 535 posts so quickly! He bested me by 300 and I'm been here since February.

So, who is going to do the job of arguing for Martian Civilization now? Is Sweaty still on the case, at least?
 
drapier said:
Actually, it looks like he's been banned. He was a feisty one, wasn't he?
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Gumby...

Joined two weeks ago, hit the ground running, ran right off the deep end.

Average 25 posts per day, started 7 threads, 4 of which summarily consigned to Abandon All Hope; featured titles such as "The Big Bang Theory is Wrong and Ridiculous" and "There is No Such Thing as Time."

Hit the ground... off the deep end.

Bye now, Gumby. You were funny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTEc6FiFFM0&feature=related

ETA: Oh! Happy Birthday, Bell!
 
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Chuck Norris has already been to Mars. That's why there are no signs of life there.

Sorry...how often can you do a Chuck Norris joke that is actually somewhat on topic?
 
lol Nel. I dont know why i said that, or maybe it is that common sense tells us any answer to any question is obviously Chuck Norris
 
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