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Split Thread Students should be punished for protesting

Hercules56 said:
No, Im not.

Im just expecting members here to support their claims with evidence.
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So, you are making a claim against a member for not being able to support his claim.

Yeah, I thought so.

Like I said, have a nice evening.


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Hercules56 said:
You're saying students should not be punished for harassment, destruction of property, disrupting classes and club activities, vandalism, and blocking students from accessing campus property based on assumed political or religious affiliation? Why not?
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Because I’m not going to regurgitate right-wing MAGA propaganda just to get universities and news agencies to bend to my will.

Unlike trump and his sycophants, including DINOs, that support totalitarian government.
 
EHocking said:
Because I’m not going to regurgitate right-wing MAGA propaganda just to get universities and news agencies to bend to my will.

Unlike trump and his sycophants, including DINOs, that support totalitarian government.
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Sounds like you're saying there should be no consequences for students that engage in harassment, destruction of property, disrupting classes and club activities, vandalism, and blocking students from accessing campus property based on assumed political or religious affiliation.

Cool.
 
Hercules56 said:
So you're saying colleges never dish out punishment for inappropriate behavior on campus??

Wow.
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This is completely off-topic, and has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the dude tried to get you to clarify what you mean by several of your highly subjective "suggestions." Talk about a red herring. My god.
 
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Carrot Flower King said:
Nice to know that I should have been locked up/fined/whatever for stuff like participating in an occupation of university buildings as part of a protest action agin certain government policies affecting universities back in the '70s.

How about picketing and blockading the nearest branch of Barclay's Bank over their role in supporting appartheid South Africa?

Participating in various other mass demonstrations which most definitely caused some disruption to our capital city, both when a student (university and nursing) and at other times?

Where are lines being drawn over non-violent, but disruptive, protest in a supposedly liberal democrtatic society?
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Our very Founding Fathers were all criminals for throwing a bunch of tea in the water.
 
Hercules56 said:
Liar. I fully support ALL students who break the rules being treated equally, regardless of agenda.

Stop lying about my beliefs and comments.

You think JUST because I am a Jew, I support bigoted pro-Jewish policies, even though I am one of the biggest critics of Israel in this forum.
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AH! I see! So its perfectly OK for you to lie about what everyone else has said in this forum and put words in their mouths, but not OK for anyone to turn the tables on you and use your own tactics against you.

Got it.
 
Hercules56 said:
Sounds like you're saying there should be no consequences for students that engage in harassment, destruction of property, disrupting classes and club activities, vandalism, and blocking students from accessing campus property based on assumed political or religious affiliation.

Cool.
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No.
I'm just not into the idea that it's OK for my government to blackmail universities, news agencies and broadcasters into only supporting MAGA/Trump bigotry and hatred.
 
Hercules56 said:
Sounds like you're saying there should be no consequences for students that engage in harassment, destruction of property, disrupting classes and club activities, vandalism, and blocking students from accessing campus property based on assumed political or religious affiliation.

Cool.
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Hold up a second here. Lets back up here. Really weird how you completely derailed your own thread.

Back up to the 3rd post of this thread. YOU made these claims:

Hercules56 said:
No they engaged in unsanctioned forms of civil disobedience that blocked access for other students, disrupted classes, disrupted club activities, and sometimes even committed assault and racial harassment.

While I 100% support their agenda of fighting for Justice in Palestine and ending the war, there are still consequences for non-violent protest and civil disobedience on college campus.

If anyone ever told you that there are no consequences for non-violent protest and civil disobedience they were lying to you.

Especially when it takes place on a college campus which is supposed to be focused on learning and civil activity.
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11th post into the thread, and Regnad Kcin asked you to clarify a few things:
Regnad Kcin said:
1. Why? Also, define "punish." Would there be a blanket punishment for any and all infractions, or tiers? Who would adjudicate the process? Would there also be a process by which a student could appeal a determination? Also, what would a university or college do in the event of hundreds or even thousands of students taking part in behavior deemed unacceptable? (Also, see 3. below.)
2. "Lots?" What is the determinative factor(s), the cutoff below which a student may speak out and/or demonstrate on an issue?
3. Define "unacceptable."
4. How?
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Then you became an outright troll by not only ignoring these pointed questions, but feloniously turning around and lying about what was asked of you:

Hercules56 said:
Are you honestly asking why students who disrupted classes, disrupted club activities, blocked access to parts of the campus due to perceived political or religious affiliations, damaged campus property and took hostage campus buildings, should be sanctioned???

LOLOLOL!!!!

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Yes, sure, allow students to appeal their punishments if they feel they are actually innocent of the charges against them. Or if they feel the punishments are too harsh.
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Regnad Kcin said:
No, I'm honestly asking if you've thought out the particulars of your view and how difficult/complex it would be to manage. By your response I have my answer.
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Hercules56 said:
So you're saying colleges never dish out punishment for inappropriate behavior on campus??

Wow.
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You can either continue with the conversation, or just STFU. Answer the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ questions, troll. You have the nerve to then complain that someone else did to you exactly what you yourself did to Regnad, as I pointed out in my post (#71)
 
I don't understand this thread.

Not why it was split, I get that. What I mean is the apparent expectation of posters that a particular poster actually thought for more than 5 seconds about their posting and that they might actually support their ideas with more than vibes.
 
EHocking said:
No.
I'm just not into the idea that it's OK for my government to blackmail universities, news agencies and broadcasters into only supporting MAGA/Trump bigotry and hatred.
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In general I agree. But students should not be allowed to engage in the behavior that we saw at Columbia and other colleges. Sanctions are warranted against them.
 
Hercules56 said:
In general I agree. But students should not be allowed to engage in the behavior that we saw at Columbia and other colleges. Sanctions are warranted against them.
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Sanctions were imposed against them.
$400 million of grants were threatened to be removed from Columbia if they didn’t persecute their students and then they had to pay a $200 million bribe to Trump to get their grants back once the university acquiesced.

Is their no MAGA assault on US society that DINOs won’t support?
 
EHocking said:
Sanctions were imposed against them.
$400 million of grants were threatened to be removed from Columbia if they didn’t persecute their students and then they had to pay a $200 million bribe to Trump to get their grants back once the university acquiesced.

Is their no MAGA assault on US society that DINOs won’t support?
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I don't support the massive fine. I think changing policies and punishing the trouble makers is enough.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
I don't understand this thread.

Not why it was split, I get that. What I mean is the apparent expectation of posters that a particular poster actually thought for more than 5 seconds about their posting and that they might actually support their ideas with more than vibes.
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Oh, it is a split thread. I hadn't noticed that. I guess Hercules didnt start this thread and derail his own thread. But still, he did derail a thread that was already derailed enough to warrant a split. lol.

Dude still hasn't answered those questions at the top of Page 1, and you're correct. No reason to suppose he ever will, any more than Trump will ever have those Epstein files released after, like, 5 years of him and his base howling from the rooftops for them.
 
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