Split Thread Students should be punished for protesting

[Hercules56]

You argue that protesting with violence is unnecessary because we "evolved". I point out that protesting with violence is alive and well, thriving even. Same as it ever was.

Violent protest is only justified when non-violent means of change have been exhausted.

Otherwise they're just angry, ignorant thugs who want to kick ass cuz they lazy ignorant thugs.

 

[Thermal]

Violent protest is only justified when non-violent means of change have been exhausted.

Otherwise they're just angry, ignorant thugs who want to kick ass cuz they lazy ignorant thugs.

Sometimes, not always. Violence can be a perfectly acceptable first course of action, depending on the severity. A cop murders a black man on the street, and you can skip the cardboard feel-good walk-a-thon and cut to the chase.

But you're not arguing, just repeating yourself. I caught it the first few repetitions.

 

[Hercules56]

Sometimes, not always. Violence can be a perfectly acceptable first course of action, depending on the severity. A cop murders a black man on the street, and you can skip the cardboard feel-good walk-a-thon and cut to the chase...

Vigilante justice is illegal and immoral

Only ignorant, malcontent thugs engage in such crap.

People who have a sense of decency and morality do not ennage in that.

 

[Hercules56]

Sometimes, not always. Violence can be a perfectly acceptable first course of action, depending on the severity. A cop murders a black man on the street, and you can skip the cardboard feel-good walk-a-thon and cut to the chase...

January 6er logic.

 

[Thermal]

Vigilante justice is illegal and immoral

Only ignorant, malcontent thugs engage in such crap.

People who have a sense of decency and morality do not ennage in that.

You're just repeating yourself. It's boring.

 

[Hercules56]

You're just repeating yourself. It's boring.

Sometimes its necessary to get the point across.

 

[Thermal]

Sometimes its necessary to get the point across.

No, it's not. The point was made, and disputed. Repeating just means you don't understand the dispute.

 

[autumn1971]

No student is being punished or even criticized for protesting.

Great! That’s how freedom works

 

[Hercules56]

Great! That’s how freedom works

However, violent, disruptive, destructive, harrassing and uncivil protest SHOULD be punished.

 

[theprestige]

Great! That’s how freedom works

Great! That’s how freedom works

I think it has to depend on what's being protested. A student protesting the laws against sex with minors should probably be criticized, if not punished. Likewise a student who protests mixed-race campuses.

Actually, come to think of it, student protestors - like any other kind of protestor - should always be subject to criticism, by anyone who disagrees with them. That is how freedom works.

 

[theprestige]

However, violent, disruptive, harrassing and uncivil protest SHOULD be punished.

At that point, you don't even need to make it about protesting. It can just be about punishing violence, disruption, and harassment, whatever the context.

 

[Hercules56]

I think it has to depend on what's being protested. A student protesting the laws against sex with minors should probably be criticized, if not punished. Likewise a student who protests mixed-race campuses.....

I strongly disagree. Peaceful, non-violent protest that is merely offensive is protected free speech. Courts are clear about this.

 

[Thermal]

I strongly disagree. Peaceful, non-violent protest that is merely offensive is protected free speech. Courts are clear about this.

Courts are not at all clear about anyone being protected from criticism in any circumstance.

 

[theprestige]

I strongly disagree. Peaceful, non-violent protest that is merely offensive is protected free speech. Courts are clear about this.

You're allowed to criticize offensive protest messages. That's also free speech.

 

[Hercules56]

You're allowed to criticize offensive protest messages. That's also free speech.

I am talking about punishment. Not criticism. Criticize all you like to your hearts content.

 

[theprestige]

I am talking about punishment. Not criticism. Criticize all you like to your hearts content.

My bad. I went back and re-read this:

No student is being punished or even criticized for protesting.

I thought you said no student should be criticized. Now I realize I misread it. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[novaphile]

Yes, how dare students protest in a way that might be noticed.
First of all they should
tow the government line and secondly, IF they protest they should only do so by appointment somewhere out of the way where they don't bother other people. (and still be removed from the university of course)

<ahem>

"Toe the line."

i.e. follow the rules, do what you're told.

"Stand behind the yellow line, toe the line."
"Sprinters, toe the line."

 

[P.J. Denyer]

<ahem>

"Toe the line."

i.e. follow the rules, do what you're told.

"Stand behind the yellow line, toe the line."
"Sprinters, toe the line."

It's probably not the true origin of the term, but the guides at Bodmin Jail claim the expression came from the chalk line on the gallows trap in the execution chamber that the condemned would be guided to before their legs were strapped and the lever pulled. To be honest it's such a common thing to align people behind a line on the ground was probably used literally in thousands of contexts before the metaphor became established.

 

[dirtywick]

and before that it was actually toe the lime, which was a reference to when people juiced fruit with their feet

 

[Thermal]

and before that it was actually toe the lime, which was a reference to when people juiced fruit with their feet

And before that it was actually toe the swine, which was a reference to when people juiced the piglet on internet fora.