StopSylvia email from a psychic

It goes both ways, though -- if a believer admits to even one case where mediumship FAILS to work, then they have granted to skeptics the possibility of evaluating the truth or falsity of such claims.

Exactly. Which is why I had a small argument with my sister, who thinks that Char is obviously a fraud (for those who don't know Char, go do your research), but she thinks that Derek Ogilvie must be real.

What she doesn't notice is that Ogilvie uses many of the same tricks as Char, but he is less obvious about them.

I think Derek actually believes in what he does (you have probably seen the indignation in his eyes after hearing the result from the 1 million Dollar test), which makes him even more believable, because he doesn't have to "play-act", which makes him seem even more believable.

I concede that, if there are real mediums, then there can still be frauds, but in this case (of Derek and Char) it's too easy.

Does anyone know of a full reading by Derek? I'd love to see more of his work. Edited are not really helpful, for the obvious reasons.

Cheers
 
I think my background is a little similar to Minarvia and ChillZero's.

Flo's post got me thinking that if I had made such a prediction and it didn't happen, the last thing I probably would have done is doubt the prediction itself because that would be like doubting the source of such predictions, which to my mind anyway would have been God, the angels, guides - at any rate, the source seemed sacred to me, possessing a vantage point superior to mine.

If the prediction failed I would have been relieved that a disaster had been averted. Something must have changed. People have free will. Maybe nature itself. Maybe divine intervention.

If I'd had enough predictions come true that I considered myself psychic, one failed prediction would likely not be enough to make me question it.

I didn't know that about you, Ex-M! :) But you're absolutely right. I pretty much thought that way, too. Something changed, was averted...something like that.

But, after repeated times of this, plus my own innate doubts and niggling suspicions, I finally broke away.

Now I'll need much more to show me that such things are true.

However, after only, say, ONE failed attempt, I can see why somebody would not abandon their belief or faith. And if you believe in something higher and sacred, it would indeed be difficult to abandon easily.
 
It goes both ways, though -- if a believer admits to even one case where mediumship FAILS to work, then they have granted to skeptics the possibility of evaluating the truth or falsity of such claims.

Ah...yes! Good point! I had been so shocked that Doyle kept saying what he did that I hadn't even thought to reverse it! He didn't allow, even once, for the opposite of his statement to hold truth as well.

And thus the great friendship he had with Houdini began to fail... :(

I shouldn't be surprised that the man who created the logical Sherlock Holmes would be such easy prey to false mediums of the day. Those are different circumstances, and while one was a character to him, the rest was his life and loss of his son.

Still...I would have hoped his logic could have had more of an influence on him.
 
I never had a problem with the idea that some psychics/mediums were either fake or just not very gifted. That didn't undermine the possibility for me that there were plenty of genuinely gifted ones too.

I have a feeling Robert's correspondent would write most of us off as just not getting it. Especially the part about negativity.

He doesn't say it, but I get the impression he identifies with Sylvia Browne, feels they share some kind of kinship as psychics, and an attack against Browne is an attack against all of them and psychic ability in general. That's probably pointlessly and unfairly negative in his eyes, and he believes negativity will destroy the soul of the sender eventually, and he believes he is writing to Robert in a spirit of kindness.

He doesn't realize that he himself is promoting the negative by defending someone like Sylvia Browne, which is basically what many of our posts have tried to say. He is mistaking her for sincere but fallible.

Where he sees negativity, we see heroics - people like Robert and Randi daring to speak out in defense of potential victims, dedicating time and money to it, for the satisfaction of maybe making the world a little bit better.

I really do get where he's coming from. It's just that he's wrong about Browne and that is so aggravating. It's also aggravating because we see the potential for harm where he doesn't.

Which is my point with most of the "psychic" business: most of its believers are totally unable to see any further than their delusions and don't give a damn about / are unable to imagine the consequences to those who believe them.

This is why I never waste my time debating the "dogma" in most things woo, but I usually try to point to the actual consequences of believing it : wasted time, wasted money, wasted opportunities ...

That's probably smart.

Didn't you used to have that cute little red devil avatar? :)
 
Ah...yes! Good point! I had been so shocked that Doyle kept saying what he did that I hadn't even thought to reverse it! He didn't allow, even once, for the opposite of his statement to hold truth as well.

And thus the great friendship he had with Houdini began to fail... :(

I shouldn't be surprised that the man who created the logical Sherlock Holmes would be such easy prey to false mediums of the day. Those are different circumstances, and while one was a character to him, the rest was his life and loss of his son.

Still...I would have hoped his logic could have had more of an influence on him.

That is so true. I still wonder how it was that someone like Doyle could have been so thoroughly deceived.

I guess if it could happen to someone like him, it's no wonder it could happen to some of the rest of us.
 
That is so true. I still wonder how it was that someone like Doyle could have been so thoroughly deceived.

I guess if it could happen to someone like him, it's no wonder it could happen to some of the rest of us.

Absolutely, which is why old posts from someone I will not name but you likely remember aimed at Robert, blamed the victims for being so gullible.

He didn't understand how people are...human. We love and lose and grieve. That doesn't make us stupid or mean that people shouldn't stand up for victims.

It could happen to anyone, really. And if someone falls for a con, it doesn't make it right, or mean the con should get away with it.
 
Here is what I mentioned above that I wrote to him in response to the email which I quoted in the OP:

Mr. [last name]:

Thanks for writing again.

I will say that when the tsunami hit japan in march I did think of your email, and wondered, when it had an effect on Hawaii, California and Oregon, if you ould claim hat a "hit" for your prediction, even though you said August and the Gulf Coast. So I am glad that you clarifie that. I have now posted about your predition in the forum of the James Randi Educational Foundation, of which I am a member. I did not give your name nor your email address. Some questions have come up, such as when you say "around 2:00PM", do you mean in Texas' time zone? Of course, any time that day would be impressive! One wag commented that I should offer you a wager: if the tsunami hits when and where you have predicted, I will sing your praises on my web site. if it does NOT happen, you give me the deed to your home and property. I am not offering this wager, just telling you what was said.

Again you mention what I have done on my site as "negative". As hope I told you in my reply to your previous email, I - and many others - consider what I have done onmy site to be EXTREMELY POSITIVE. Another wag in that thread wondered if you would tell an oncologist that he or she was being "negative" to cut out a tumor with a scalpel.

Thanks also for the kind words regarding my health. I wish you and yours excellent health as well.

Warm regards,

Robert S. Lancaster

Here is his reply, which I received today:

I know what is inside you Robert. You are what I like to call a very clean wire. By that I mean a Soul of brilliant light. I'm not allowed to wager, bet, or advertise for anyone other than telling the truth. That is my one loop hole, so to speak. There's really no loop hole when it comes to our Creator. Sylvia's got some problems. I wish she would just calm down and retire to enjoy the life she has left. I understand how you feel and how other's feel when She's wrong. I've known for a while that I'll have some issues with her later but that they won't last long. That's enough about her though. That's not what I wish to talk about at all. There are many things I'm going to tell you about. I'm just waiting for Aug. 11th to pass by. As far as the wave, please let me give you the details. At exactly 10:02 pm on Aug. 10, 2011, the Gulf floor will cave in between two oil drilling platforms in the lower Gulf. The one in the East is owned by the Russians and the one in the West is owned by four Peruvian businessmen, supposedly a private company, one of the men will turn out to be George Zorros or however you spell his name. They are not going to be putting sludge back into the ground as they take the oil out. There will be a huge trench, many miles long, between the two platforms. The trench will be up to about 1/4 mile wide near the East and about 1/2 a mile wide, at its biggest, in the West. The trench will be over 200 feet deep. You can imagine how large a wave this type of hole will create. When you add the fact that the water is about a mile, just a little more I'm told, deep, that is a lot of pressure. When the water hits the bottom of the trench the pressure will cause an 8.9 Richter earthquake. These two issues will cause the mother of all tsunamis to hit from a good bit West of Corpus Christi to a little East of Louisiana. The wave will hit Texas first at about 2:00 pm. It's a big wave that will hit a very broad area so I have to say about 2:00 pm. The wave will be 35' where it hits Texas and 22'-23' where it hits Louisiana. The safe zone for Texas is 25 miles inbound. The safe zone for Louisiana is 75 miles inbound. The Mississippi River's safe zone is 125 miles inward. I'm saving you a copy of the legal document I made Jan. 19th of this year stating most of this.
I understand you're a factual man, I applaud you for it, but there really is a Supreme Creator that made everything. It is one Entity that comes to us as Father and Mother both. I am the focal point of Humanoid Essence. There were also 5 Adams, 5 Eves and Lillith. That's how the five races were originally created. I'm the one that always comes first. I was the Red Adam that arrived in Atlantis. I'm the one in all your books. Soon I'll be on an internet show talking about this and more. There's a young lady arranging this now. I also see myself talking to Oprah after it happens. After all this happens, if you agree, you and I have a little work to do freeing the planet from something that needs to leave. You'll be exposing them with my help. You already have very strong protection that you're not aware of. The strongest protection, of course, comes from Mother and Father Creator. You also have protection from our very good friends from places very far away.
Everything I write is recorded somewhere. I was already attacked through my Bluetooth, by a government satellite, but Mother warned me about it. The Bluetooth was hit by a beam the size of a needle from space and let out a nasty harmonic frequency of some kind, while it was in my upper right pocket instead of my right ear. I realize this probably takes things over the edge in you mind for the moment but before long you will look back at this and read it again. Robert, I'm no better than the bottom of your shoe. All Creation is equal. I am, however, very different. I'm not allowed to give the date, but way before June of 2013 you will see a scene out of Star Trek in the sky. There will be one heck of a display of very large ships. They are actually supplying you with protection you're not aware of yet. I'm already aware of a few of them. They look like us, for the most part. 2012 is about the evolution of many of you Souls as well as much of Creation, not destruction. You, my friend, have an important part to play in what's about to happen in the next 7 years. My adopted parents will be leaving soon. My adopted mother will leave first. I'm not allowed to give that date. I'll explain later. My dad will be leaving his body at [time] this [[][date]. I guess I'm allowed to give this date and time out because he'll be in a hospital or something where no one can say I was involved. I love my dad. He's a very good man. Please keep this information for yourself but don't share it with anyone until after he leaves. I'm not going to tell him until a couple of days before its time for him to go home to heaven. I'm not allowed to just know everything. I'm having a life like everyone else. I was there in the beginning. I watched all you Souls being created. You're all very important. I'll shut-up for now. I'm literally God's Activator, among other things. Once you have a couple affirmations, I can't wait to tell you as much as you can bear to hear. I know when California will have it's big earthquake. It won't drop off into the sea. I can actually tell you when humanoid life will no longer be able to live on the planet. I have the exact year. I'll be back then, after I leave in September of 2018. That's when you and I finish off the negative things on this planet. All you have to do is record. I'll be doing all the work. It's my job and I love it. Oh yeah, this is my 220.000 life on this planet. My actual number of lives far exceeds the U.S. Debt in dollars. That had to be hard for you to read. I'm finally going to shut-up. I always have been here, I always will be. That's why I was created. The Messiahs, and much more, are focal points of the Etheric Metaphysical Energy Mass that I'm the focal point of. Best of Blessings to you and yours. I'm sorry you still have physical discomforts. Please remember that you and your family actually live in bliss on the Other Side. This life is kinda like going to boarding school. Take care, Your Friend [first name]. Oh, my real name is [ancient-sounding name].

Yes, I hear from some interesting people on SSB.
 
Here is what I mentioned above that I wrote to him in response to the email which I quoted in the OP:



Here is his reply, which I received today:



Yes, I hear from some interesting people on SSB.

Rather you than me...
I tried to read the quoted bit but I just ran out of disbelief..
You are a patient man
 
Yikes.

OK, well. Not sure how one would go about responding to that (?).

This reminds me so much of working in the New Age bookstore in my 20s. Someone would come in and we'd talk a little and I would think what a nice level-headed person they seemed. Finally! Someone like me, not too far out there. Going to college like me. Volunteering somewhere. Whatever. A few weeks later they'd be back and I'd be happy to see them, and we'd get to talking some more and suddenly they would leap from college courses to how they'd been abducted by aliens and did I want to see the implant in their navel and they were receiving channeled information from the archangel Michael that the world would end on 11/11 and here is a photo album with pictures from New Mexico from a secret government installation...

What exactly does one say? :(

It takes all kinds, I guess.
 
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What exactly does one say? :(

For starters, you say "I'm not falling for that old 'wanna see the implant in my navel?' pick-up line...again."

Yes, I had similar encounters in acting school in my teens. You end up wondering if they were on their meds the first time you saw them, or if you had forgotten to take yours that day...
 
Yikes.

OK, well. Not sure how one would go about responding to that (?).

This reminds me so much of working in the New Age bookstore in my 20s. Someone would come in and we'd talk a little and I would think what a nice level-headed person they seemed. Finally! Someone like me, not too far out there. Going to college like me. Volunteering somewhere. Whatever. A few weeks later they'd be back and I'd be happy to see them, and we'd get to talking some more and suddenly they would leap from college courses to how they'd been abducted by aliens and did I want to see the implant in their navel and they were receiving channeled information from the archangel Michael that the world would end on 11/11 and here is a photo album with pictures from New Mexico from a secret government installation...

What exactly does one say? :(

It takes all kinds, I guess.

Uh..."Please, keep your naval hidden, but show me the pics!" And then cautiously look around for an escape route...
 
oooooowww weeeee wooooooo. (Haunted House sound effect).

I've had some conjectures and odd responses on some web sites from believers, but. . . ah. . . you win with this one.
 
Well, at least he didn't mention quantum physics. I think he covered just about everything else, though.

For starters, you say "I'm not falling for that old 'wanna see the implant in my navel?' pick-up line...again."

Yes, I had similar encounters in acting school in my teens. You end up wondering if they were on their meds the first time you saw them, or if you had forgotten to take yours that day...

Uh..."Please, keep your naval hidden, but show me the pics!" And then cautiously look around for an escape route...

:D
 
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I know what is inside you Robert. You are what I like to call a very clean wire. By that I mean a Soul of brilliant light. I'm not allowed to wager, bet, or advertise for anyone other than telling the truth. That is my one loop hole, so to speak. There's really no loop hole when it comes to our Creator. Sylvia's got some problems. I wish she would just calm down and retire to enjoy the life she has left. I understand how you feel and how other's feel when She's wrong. I've known for a while that I'll have some issues with her later but that they won't last long. That's enough about her though. That's not what I wish to talk about at all. There are many things I'm going to tell you about. I'm just waiting for Aug. 11th to pass by. As far as the wave, please let me give you the details. At exactly 10:02 pm on Aug. 10, 2011, the Gulf floor will cave in between two oil drilling platforms in the lower Gulf. The one in the East is owned by the Russians and the one in the West is owned by four Peruvian businessmen, supposedly a private company, one of the men will turn out to be George Zorros or however you spell his name. They are not going to be putting sludge back into the ground as they take the oil out. There will be a huge trench, many miles long, between the two platforms. The trench will be up to about 1/4 mile wide near the East and about 1/2 a mile wide, at its biggest, in the West. The trench will be over 200 feet deep. You can imagine how large a wave this type of hole will create. When you add the fact that the water is about a mile, just a little more I'm told, deep, that is a lot of pressure. When the water hits the bottom of the trench the pressure will cause an 8.9 Richter earthquake. These two issues will cause the mother of all tsunamis to hit from a good bit West of Corpus Christi to a little East of Louisiana. The wave will hit Texas first at about 2:00 pm. It's a big wave that will hit a very broad area so I have to say about 2:00 pm. The wave will be 35' where it hits Texas and 22'-23' where it hits Louisiana. The safe zone for Texas is 25 miles inbound. The safe zone for Louisiana is 75 miles inbound. The Mississippi River's safe zone is 125 miles inward. I'm saving you a copy of the legal document I made Jan. 19th of this year stating most of this.
I understand you're a factual man, I applaud you for it, but there really is a Supreme Creator that made everything. It is one Entity that comes to us as Father and Mother both. I am the focal point of Humanoid Essence. There were also 5 Adams, 5 Eves and Lillith. That's how the five races were originally created. I'm the one that always comes first. I was the Red Adam that arrived in Atlantis. I'm the one in all your books. Soon I'll be on an internet show talking about this and more. There's a young lady arranging this now. I also see myself talking to Oprah after it happens. After all this happens, if you agree, you and I have a little work to do freeing the planet from something that needs to leave. You'll be exposing them with my help. You already have very strong protection that you're not aware of. The strongest protection, of course, comes from Mother and Father Creator. You also have protection from our very good friends from places very far away.
Everything I write is recorded somewhere. I was already attacked through my Bluetooth, by a government satellite, but Mother warned me about it. The Bluetooth was hit by a beam the size of a needle from space and let out a nasty harmonic frequency of some kind, while it was in my upper right pocket instead of my right ear. I realize this probably takes things over the edge in you mind for the moment but before long you will look back at this and read it again. Robert, I'm no better than the bottom of your shoe. All Creation is equal. I am, however, very different. I'm not allowed to give the date, but way before June of 2013 you will see a scene out of Star Trek in the sky. There will be one heck of a display of very large ships. They are actually supplying you with protection you're not aware of yet. I'm already aware of a few of them. They look like us, for the most part. 2012 is about the evolution of many of you Souls as well as much of Creation, not destruction. You, my friend, have an important part to play in what's about to happen in the next 7 years. My adopted parents will be leaving soon. My adopted mother will leave first. I'm not allowed to give that date. I'll explain later. My dad will be leaving his body at [time] this [[][date]. I guess I'm allowed to give this date and time out because he'll be in a hospital or something where no one can say I was involved. I love my dad. He's a very good man. Please keep this information for yourself but don't share it with anyone until after he leaves. I'm not going to tell him until a couple of days before its time for him to go home to heaven. I'm not allowed to just know everything. I'm having a life like everyone else. I was there in the beginning. I watched all you Souls being created. You're all very important. I'll shut-up for now. I'm literally God's Activator, among other things. Once you have a couple affirmations, I can't wait to tell you as much as you can bear to hear. I know when California will have it's big earthquake. It won't drop off into the sea. I can actually tell you when humanoid life will no longer be able to live on the planet. I have the exact year. I'll be back then, after I leave in September of 2018. That's when you and I finish off the negative things on this planet. All you have to do is record. I'll be doing all the work. It's my job and I love it. Oh yeah, this is my 220.000 life on this planet. My actual number of lives far exceeds the U.S. Debt in dollars. That had to be hard for you to read. I'm finally going to shut-up. I always have been here, I always will be. That's why I was created. The Messiahs, and much more, are focal points of the Etheric Metaphysical Energy Mass that I'm the focal point of. Best of Blessings to you and yours. I'm sorry you still have physical discomforts. Please remember that you and your family actually live in bliss on the Other Side. This life is kinda like going to boarding school. Take care, Your Friend [first name]. Oh, my real name is [ancient-sounding name].
Bloody hell RSL, this bloke has a mental illness.
How you handle these people is tricky. I would not be encouraging further correspondence.
 
Concordance! This person is barely impacting tangentially on reality. Why is hard to say - mental illness or instability, drugs, cult immersion...any combination thereof?

Robert, I don't think you are going to get a sane and coherent discussion from this person. I'd wish him well and let him go on his way, I think.
 

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