StopSylvia email from a psychic

Concordance! This person is barely impacting tangentially on reality. Why is hard to say - mental illness or instability, drugs, cult immersion...any combination thereof?

Robert, I don't think you are going to get a sane and coherent discussion from this person. I'd wish him well and let him go on his way, I think.

No please don't give up on them, do your best, I grew up around that stuff and if it wasn't for the hard work of others I might still be... *shudder*

You can only do so much, you can only give so much of your time, but the information and arguments filter through eventually, in more people than you'd think... my two cents.
 
No please don't give up on them, do your best, I grew up around that stuff and if it wasn't for the hard work of others I might still be... *shudder*

You can only do so much, you can only give so much of your time, but the information and arguments filter through eventually, in more people than you'd think... my two cents.
Appreciate that, but I suggest this needs to be through the agency of a professional personal support mechanism, not random berks like us on the intertubes.
 
Appreciate that, but I suggest this needs to be through the agency of a professional personal support mechanism, not random berks like us on the intertubes.

Totally agree. That should certainly be the end goal of anyone hoping to help such a soul. In the meantime though, in our inevitable dealings, perhaps we could improve. A current project of mine is gathering science and articles that might help me in my occasional forays into live debunking. Rick Ross isn't a "scientist" but still helps a lot of people, and is respected. I don't want to go out there and try and be a quack psychologist, but I think that if we focus on debunking science, we might improve our activism and save a lot more people.

I know it's wild-eyed but I think someone could design a course to train people in deprogramming and debunking with scientific principles. I owe a lot of my quality of life to people who do this and some were certainly better at in than others. It's also a main concern of mine since I've been through it all, I think I can help a lot of people. We'll see. Cheerio
 
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Totally agree. That should certainly be the end goal of anyone hoping to help such a soul. In the meantime though, in our inevitable dealings, perhaps we could improve. A current project of mine is gathering science and articles that might help me in my occasional forays into live debunking. Rick Ross isn't a "scientist" but still helps a lot of people, and is respected. I don't want to go out there and try and be a quack psychologist, but I think that if we focus on debunking science, we might improve our activism and save a lot more people.

I know it's wild-eyed but I think someone could design a course to train people in deprogramming and debunking with scientific principles. I owe a lot of my quality of life to people who do this and some were certainly better at in than others. It's also a main concern of mine since I've been through it all, I think I can help a lot of people. We'll see. Cheerio

That's great!

Were you quite that extreme? I suppose it's possible Robert's correspondent might still read this thread.

I was 100% New Age but I was never even remotely like that, so I wonder how common it is to have beliefs to that extreme. And if you did, and still came out of it well, that's really encouraging.

Just out of curiosity, what is it that would have made you open to such a deprogramming course?
 
Were you quite that extreme?

Worse, in a more sophisticated, intellectual way. A hard quality to quantify ;) I went through stages wildly, none of them lasted long. At one point I was talking to spirits/channeling them, predicting the future, some of my crazy predictions actually happened, emboldening me. In retrospect they were extremely good intuitions about future probabilities based on both my evolved brain and my experience, but I mean extremely good! Man, it took some serious thinking and an education in natural science to figure out a probable natural explanation. And as I sit here, I still wonder if there was truly paranormal stuff going on.

It helped that none of the other predictions came true. When you've convinced yourself you've made predictions, even if you rationally think you're delusional, part of your pattern-seeking brain is still saying "No! This is clear evidence!" Anyway... yes, I was off the charts insane and should have been committed for my own good a few times. I chalked this up to karmic experiences I had to go through on the earth plane, imbalances that I had attracted... seriously, this is how I rationalized it.
I was 100% New Age but I was never even remotely like that, so I wonder how common it is to have beliefs to that extreme. And if you did, and still came out of it well, that's really encouraging.
I know that I was mentally ill. How much of that was caused by the woo? How much of it was a real, temporary mental illness of some kind? If I was raised a skeptic I don't see how that could have happened. I think it made me become ill as it became more intense and I pushed my body and mind in strange ways, trying to touch the divine.
Just out of curiosity, what is it that would have made you open to such a deprogramming course?
Well-being is the answer to all questions, not 42 as the local tribe would have you believe. I was looking for well-being. If you had a method for achieving well-being, I wanted to know about it. I didn't care if you were James Randi or Deepak Chopra, if you had something to say about well being, I wanted to listen to you. You don't necessarily have to promise well-being, but if you make your organization all about achieving it, sooner or later people will come like bees to honey to check you out.

The problem is that science-based thinkers have too much integrity to offer advice on well-being when they don't know all the answers. Too often they are too conservative in applying the science that they do know. I think if we want to reach the most number of people we have to offer a vision of something that works, applied naturalistic science, but we have to do it in a way that helps them reach the transcendent state they are looking for. People are too tempted to get into Transcendental Meditation or all of that "naturalistic woo" when they drop the more serious woo. We need a framework to understand these experiences. People are seriously out of touch with this. Sam Harris says the same thing and Dan Dennett goes What? A great exchange(Dan is another personal savior, I envision him as the Godhead in this science theology of mine:p). I'm so glad Sam is trying to have this conversation with people, he is serving all aces on that front at the moment, especially with this "fact-based morality" stuff.

Another barrier is that no one wants to be like the religionists or the evangelists. No one wants to get too radical or go ahead on a mission lest they be accused of fundamentalism the way the "new atheists" are regularly. Naturalistic science cures us of this psychological barrier. The same confidence a surgeon has in going to work, we can have going to work on ourselves and each other, if the science and framework is sound and we have tested it's reliability.

When it comes to health your doctor is all "Meh, eat a banana and go to the gym" and he really did give me crappy advice and a crappy anti-depressant when I needed his help. He's busy keeping people alive and he's got a physically healthy, wild-eyed true believer in his office talking about energy so I guess I've got no serious complaints with him. But that was a serious fail. The stuff that makes me a lucid, sane person today (heh, maybe?) all comes from mainstream modern science knowledge that I taught myself. Why the hell did I have to teach myself about that stuff? The closest I got to science was that doctors office and I didn't get connected to the full sphere of possibilities from there. I physically go out and do this job. I talk people out of all sorts of crap all the time. It's not that bloody difficult. The medical community should be trained to deal with this. No? I think a lot more, I think that if you just take the focus off of skepticism/debunking and place it on the value of well-being, skepticism just becomes part of that.

So, take TM for example. If you teach people why it works, it becomes a principle in their life instead of a quack technique. They'll get rid of the theory and the woo and keep the knowledge. All we need is the naturalistic science and we can achieve the goals of humanism and transcendence, we can express those yearnings in ourselves.

This is the revolution that I see coming in well-being for humanity.
 
Back in mid-February I received an email at SSB from a

gentleman who took me to task for being such a negative

person. He mentioned that he knew that there are psychic

powers because he is psychic. He then told me that when a

Tsunami hits the United States on Aug 11 2011, I will know they

exist too. When I asked if he could be more specific, he said

that it would hit the Gulf Coast.

When the Tsunami hit Japan (and a little hit the US west coast)

on March 11, I wondered if he would write again and call it a Hit

(hey, 3/11 looks sorta like 8/11), but I did not hear from him again

until today, when I received this:



I am sharing this with you all here mostly to document the prediction. As far as his mentioning my health, I had mentioned my health issues to him in my reply to his original email.

Hey this guy sounds nice. He seems to care about you and your family.
That is a good thing.
Perhaps he doesn't realize a simple phone call will dispel all negativity.

He could be right about the tsunami on 8/11/11.
Even if he isn't then he probably saw the tsunami on 3/11/11 psychically and simply got confused.
So that would for sure be a hit.
Maybe his idea of a tsunami looks like a normal size wave to everyone else.
That would be another hit.

You know psychics don't claim to see everything.
 
You know psychics don't claim to see everything.

I assume this is a sarcastic reference to my saying something similar in another thread where you had said that a psychic who had asked to interview me should, if they were truly psychic, should know that I was a skeptic.

Can you not see the difference between criticizing that psychic for not knowing something he had never claimed to be able to know, and criticizing this correspondent's purported abilities if this fairly specific prediction, about something he has claimed the ability to know, does not come to pass?

Brattus, your evident need to criticize me is fine. but can you not see the difference here?
 
So you then started to believe?



Thanks, George, but I don't think patience enters into it.

No. My belief system is that I believe I'll have another beer :)
And patience with patients is not a skill I wish to develop.
I stand in awe of your ability to correspond with such..
Incidentally, how's the health nowadays?
 
Well, at least I think nobody will claim that this guy is not specific! We got the precise nature of the catastrophe that will unfold, and even who the owners are of the oil platforms involved.

Personally, I think I will become a believer if this thing happens, even if it turns out that George Soros is not the owner of one of the platforms!
 
No. My belief system is that I believe I'll have another beer :)
And patience with patients is not a skill I wish to develop.
I stand in awe of your ability to correspond with such..
Incidentally, how's the health nowadays?

I'm still hemiplegic (my left side is largely non-functional) and so I'm still in my motorized (and violet) wheelchair.

Other than that, I'm doing okay - thanks for asking!
 
<snip>At exactly 10:02 pm on Aug. 10, 2011, the Gulf floor will cave in between two oil drilling platforms in the lower Gulf. ...The wave will hit Texas first at about 2:00 pm. It's a big wave that will hit a very broad area so I have to say about 2:00 pm.<snip>
That's just under sixteen hours, between the "collapse of the Gulf floor" and the "big wave" to reach Texas. Granted, I'm no scientist, and have nothing but a very general knowledge of how tsunamis work, but surely that would be a very slow one?

I know it's a typo, but the dude might want to be a little more careful with his typing when he's predicting mass destruction. He might come across as rather nutty with a 16 hour snafu in there. :D
 
Rather you than me...
I tried to read the quoted bit but I just ran out of disbelief..
You are a patient man

I read it all, and i swear i have never mentally said " Shut the **** up you egotistical ****." so many times in a row.
 
They are not going to be putting sludge back into the ground as they take the oil out. There will be a huge trench, many miles long, between the two platforms. The trench will be up to about 1/4 mile wide near the East and about 1/2 a mile wide, at its biggest, in the West. The trench will be over 200 feet deep. You can imagine how large a wave this type of hole will create. When you add the fact that the water is about a mile, just a little more I'm told, deep, that is a lot of pressure. When the water hits the bottom of the trench the pressure will cause an 8.9 Richter earthquake.

So apparently, they are leaving behind a vacuum when they pump out oil. That's impressive.
 

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