Steel framed builing partially collapsed today

[DC]

Yeah it's that or...

They actually designed the library to take the load in such an eventuality, something that makes pretty good sense if you ask me, especially if you take into account what is taught at that particular university (structural engineering for one).

they designed it not only to take the static loads, they also designed it to take dynamic loads of the impact upper building part.

amazing. if it was not het "Bouwkunde" building it would have collapsed progressively and global?

 

[DC]

No DC, amazing is you seem to directly compare this case with the WTCs. That is amazing. And, well, I won't say it.

eeerm lol?

who was using it against the twoofers?
now i use it against you Conspiracy-Deniers.

 

[DC]

also funny to see how JREFers like to point out when a twoofer says , never before a steelframe building collapsed do to fire. they point finger laugh, some even insult.

but do you point fingers laugh and even insult when Dr. Bazant said the exact same thing?

 

[peteweaver]

DC the wtc's didn't collapse from fire, they collapsed from structural damage AND fire.

On a trivial note, steel structures have collapsed during fires before 2001.

In 1992, a steel framed factory in Bradford (west yorkshire) caught fire.



As is clear the collapsed steel did not melt, but it did warp, buckle, and oxidise.

 

[Phaedrus74]

they designed it not only to take the static loads, they also designed it to take dynamic loads of the impact upper building part.

amazing.

Not being an architect or structural engineer, I'm not qualified to judge whether this is amazing or just foresight.

Anybody in the know want to chime in regarding the question whether this is something you can design for?

if it was not het "Bouwkunde" building it would have collapsed progressively and global?

How does this follow?

 

[DC]

DC the wtc's didn't collapse from fire, they collapsed from structural damage AND fire.

On a trivial note, steel structures have collapsed during fires before 2001.

In 1992, a steel framed factory in Bradford (west yorkshire) caught fire.

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As is clear the collapsed steel did not melt, but it did warp, buckle, and oxidise.

ah sorry my fault, No skyscraper ever collapsed before do to fire.

 

[chillzero]

Not being an architect or structural engineer, I'm not qualified to judge whether this is amazing or just foresight.

I'm not qualified either, but I wonder if all tall buildings have a requirement for this, to take on board the effect of high winds, etc?

ah sorry my fault, No skyscraper ever collapsed before do to fire.

again ... fire.... AND structural damage. Good grief.

 

[DC]

hey its not my grief
always when i qoute Dr. Bazant i get called liar and griefer etc.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/328231/Me...om-the-World-Trade-Center-and-other-Buildings

 

[Phaedrus74]

I'm not qualified either, but I wonder if all tall buildings have a requirement for this, to take on board the effect of high winds, etc?

Yeah I'm hoping Architect or one of the other experts drops in to comment, I'm really curious as to what eventualities they can realistically design for without turning every building into a concrete pillbox.

 

[DC]

Yeah I'm hoping Architect or one of the other experts drops in to comment, I'm really curious as to what eventualities they can realistically design for without turning every building into a concrete pillbox.

i think the biggest diffrence to the WTC would be that in Delft, it is "only" the facade and the floor from facade to first row of columns that collapsed.

 

[mrbaracuda]

eeerm lol?

El Oh El indeed, but at you.

who was using it against the twoofers?
now i use it against you Conspiracy-Deniers.

Difference is, you are comparing the structures themself, which is absurd. The, who you call "Conspiracy-Deniers" (Funny, got any evidence? Thought as much!) use this to directly counter the assumption no steel-framed building (whether or not this incident falls into this category; but as noted, concrete alone would be even more disastrous for twoofers) has ever collapsed (even if only partially) due to fire. Sorry to see you don't see this and apparently rather keep grasping at straws to keep up your delusion.

 

[DC]

El Oh El indeed, but at you.



Difference is, you are comparing the structures themself, which is absurd. The, who you call "Conspiracy-Deniers" (Funny, got any evidence? Thought as much!) use this to directly counter the assumption no steel-framed building (whether or not this incident falls into this category; but as noted, concrete alone would be even more disastrous for twoofers) has ever collapsed (even if only partially) due to fire. Sorry to see you don't see this and apparently rather keep grasping at straws to keep up your delusion.

Boah eh

Its the conspiracy Deniers that started the comparing, i dont compare the structure itself, i dont even know if it was steel or concrete framing.

 

[Brainache]

i think the biggest diffrence to the WTC would be that in Delft, it is "only" the facade and the floor from facade to first row of columns that collapsed.

So, any idea why this building partially collapsed Dick? Would the fire have anything at all to do with it? It wasn't a total collapse, it wasn't a steel framed skyscraper and the fires were nowhere near as big as the WTC fires, so why did it collapse at all? Were there explosives or thermite involved?

Did this building house secret Dutch architectural documents?

 

[DC]

So, any idea why this building partially collapsed Dick? Would the fire have anything at all to do with it? It wasn't a total collapse, it wasn't a steel framed skyscraper and the fires were nowhere near as big as the WTC fires, so why did it collapse at all? Were there explosives or thermite involved?

Did this building house secret Dutch architectural documents?

where can i read the report?
where can i find details to the construction, and the fires etc?

 

[Brainache]

where can i read the report?
where can i find details to the construction, and the fires etc?

Not sure. Have you looked?

I only expect speculation at this point. Any ideas? Do you think the fire could have been a factor in the collapse, or would it require explosives/thermite in your opinion?

 

[DC]

Not sure. Have you looked?

I only expect speculation at this point. Any ideas? Do you think the fire could have been a factor in the collapse, or would it require explosives/thermite in your opinion?

i think we can be pretty sure one of the factors, propably even the main factor would be the fire.
and a partial collapse is nothing new.

 

[Brainache]

i think we can be pretty sure one of the factors, propably even the main factor would be the fire.
and a partial collapse is nothing new.

So imagine that the fire was much much bigger, burned for longer, the building was steel framed, and had already been damaged severely. Might a collapse under those conditions be more than partial?

 

[mrbaracuda]

So imagine that the fire was much much bigger, burned for longer, the building was steel framed, and had already been damaged severely. Might a collapse under those conditions be more than partial?

Yes DC, tell us! Could something buckle and initiate a global collapse on a much taller and heavier, yet rather weak in terms of sturdiness, building hit by a large plane?

 

[DC]

So imagine that the fire was much much bigger, burned for longer, the building was steel framed, and had already been damaged severely. Might a collapse under those conditions be more than partial?

it might be more partial yes.

but it will never be they way WTC7 collapsed.

 

[DC]

Yes DC, tell us! Could something buckle and initiate a global collapse on a much taller and heavier, yet rather weak in terms of sturdiness, building hit by a large plane?

weak in terms of what? Sags mal auf Deutsch bitte.