Statistics about Jesus fulfilling prophecy

Or you are misinterpreting what coming into his kingdom means, or one or more of those people is still alive.

Specifically, Jesus won the Battle when he was crucified on the Cross and rose on the 3rd day, which would be the beginning of his spiritual kingdom.

So Jesus was predicting that some people listening to him at that particular moment1 would be alive next week. Right, chalk up one more in the "fulfilled prophecy" column.


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(1) Matt 24:34 (spoken two days before the Passover feast)
 
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Hamelekim

The Richter scale was devised until 1935 so any assessment of earthquake size is based purely on reported damage and an assessment made. An earthquake that happened in a remote area or under sea would, today, be picked up by instrumentation. In the past it would not and therefore not included in your stats. There have in the past been periods of considerable seismic activity and then, like now, there were people crying "end times". They were wrong.

Given that these "prophecies" were said 2,000 years ago why identify current events as fitting? It could 2,000 years on or 10,000. While the Dome on the Rock exists there zero chance of the temple being rebuilt.
 
And, you know, exists.

Details ZB, details. Always with you what does not exist. :D

And we all know that people who know of a particular prophecy would never do anything specifically to try and fulfill that prophecy... :rolleyes:

Case in point, Nostradamus' "predictions" have been cited all over the place, and interpreted/skewed to fit all manner of events. Remember when the fake Nostradamus prediction went out on 9/11 terrorist attacks? Yeah, same concept.

See a prophecy, pick it up
Turn it, shape it, stick that pup!
 
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I'm coming in a little late here, but to get back to the OP, nobody seems to have mentioned that the so-called "statistical proof" of fulfilled prophecies came from a 1963 book by Professor Peter Stoner, and have been quite thoroughly debunked:
Stoner calculates the probability of just eight messianic prophecies being fulfilled as 1 in 10^21 (McDowell (1972), citing a more recent edition of Stoner's book, gives the probability as 1 in 10^17. Jeffrey (1990, pp. 17-20) gives a list of eleven messianic prophecies and a probability of 1 in 10^19.) There are a number of problems with Stoner's calculations. The probability of each prophecy being fulfilled by chance was arrived at by getting an estimate from "a class in Christian Evidences" at Pasadena City College sponsored by Inter-Varsity Christian Fellowship (Stoner 1952, p. 71). These estimates did not consider any of the above objections to these prophecies, nor did they consider the possibility of intentional fulfillment. (For example, a Messiah claimant might hire a John-the-Baptist-style messenger to precede him, or intentionally ride a donkey into the city of Jerusalem.) Another problem with this method is that such probability estimates are notoriously unreliable. Of these problems, the most serious is Stoner's failure to consider the objections I have offered above, and it alone is sufficient to invalidate his calculations.
 
That's your opinion.

Considering the nature of God, and that he created everything in existence, it's pretty arrogant of you to question such a superior being.

It's pretty arrogant of you to pretend to speak for god.
 
Well in Mattew Chapter 24 is everything Jesus said about the end of time and his return.
Signs of the End of the Age
1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.

26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]

30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[d]is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

The Day and Hour Unknown
36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

And how is it so many can deny the truth of scripture? I believe it is absolute truth and we can take God at his word. It is still my understanding that no one has ever disproven the truth of scripture even though many try to argue about it constantly.



What proof do you have that Jesus actually said all that gobbledegook?
 
One source

http://earth.webecs.co.uk/index.htm
The data for the chart comes from http://www.dlindquist.com/



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You have no idea how many earthquakes there were billions of years ago while the earth was being formed.

It's stupid to talk about an "increase" in phenomena that were not measured or recorded until very recently as compared with human history or the history of the planet.
 
I'm coming in a little late here, but to get back to the OP, nobody seems to have mentioned that the so-called "statistical proof" of fulfilled prophecies came from a 1963 book by Professor Peter Stoner, and have been quite thoroughly debunked:


Thank you!

This whole thread has done a pretty good job of describing some of the prophecies and how they could have easily been manipulated, but it's nice to have the actual source for my friend's assertion.
 
But that was 2,000 years ago! People did not know then what we know now. They had to imagine, guess and exaggerate in order to give appealing answers to questions. They lived in an imagined world in which great beasts and thousands of gods of all sorts consorted with each other in a whirling world in their heads. Events that happened were heralded with the sky falling, the sun burning up, the stars falling and immense figures filled the sky of their imagination.

The person who really is interest in "Truth" will try to figure out motive and not be so gullible as to believe people do what they say or say what they do. If a writer then wanted to think of his sponsor as being a divine prophet, he was motivated to manouver history to accommodate without doing anything that anyone else then would not do.
 
The "wandering Jew" is a type of ground cover known in the States as a plant that grows fast, spreads around and takes over.

Just like the Jews...:hypnotize

But seriously...did a CTist give that plant its common name?

I think Hamelekim's brain might have been smashed by the sheer weight of logic we tossed at him...

...you OK bud?
 
The "wandering Jew" is a type of ground cover known in the States as a plant that grows fast, spreads around and takes over.

I sometimes can't tell if people are being facetious, but the Wandering JewWP, according to Wikipedia:

.. is a figure from medieval Christian folklore whose legend began to spread in Europe in the thirteenth century and became a fixture of Christian mythology, and, later, of Romanticism. The original legend concerns a Jew who taunted Jesus on the way to the Crucifixion and was then cursed to walk the earth until the Second Coming.
 
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Meshugena!

What do you mean, "both"? There can be only one!

Don't believe everything you hear come out of Christopher Lambert's mouth. There was the original, Connor MacLeod:
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Then there was the sequel, Duncan MacLeod:

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I thoought it was the "wandering Jew". But then I am often wrong.

It's a conflation of the Wandering Jew and Longinus who is the subject of the Casca: The Eternal Mercenary books. Longinus is the Roman centurion who stabbed Christ with his spear, but in tradition, he only converted to Christianity, he didn't attain immortality. In the books, though, he goes through a physical transformation when he gets a drop of Christ's blood in his mouth.
 
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