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Greediguts said:
Oddly enough, I had just begun spending some time reading Revelation. Could you please tell me what verse in Revelation uses the title "Anti-Christ"?
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I don't believe that word is used in Revelations. But it is used in another Book. There are several names for the person referenced in Revelations.

So you don't see this as a reference to Roman coins? I'm sure your aware that any buying and selling would involve people handling these coins which would have images of emperors imprinted upon them along with titles declaring their divinity...or do you think 666 (or 616 which the earliest texts show) does not imply Nero?
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I don't believe in Preterism, which would dismiss the idea that it could be a reference to Nero.

If that was the only sign then you might make an argument of it, but there are many different prophecies which hadn't happened at that time, such as Israel being dispersed again and brought back, Christianity Spread around the world, Global Economic Collapse, the list goes on.
 
hamelekim said:
Global Economic Collapse, the list goes on.
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What do you mean by "global"? What did the word "global" mean 2000 years ago?

And where is it written in the Bible "global economic collapse". Did global economy exist as a concept back then?
 
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Safe-Keeper said:
Why didn't the world end in the 1930's?
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Because it wasn't time? Israel wasn't a nation again, there are numerous other things that could be mentioned in terms of fulfilled prophecy.
Again, this, too, has happened several times, with some close calls recently (bird flu ring a bell).
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If that was all that happened it wouldn't be significant, it's that it happens with all these other things. It's part of the signs.
OK, I'll watch out for a diplomat with magic powers.
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You should.
I'm still not impressed, and given that I've read the Bible and know that Jesus is 2000 years overdue, I remain of a firm opinion that either He didn't exist, or you've been stood up.

Matthew 24:34
'I tell you the truth: this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.'

Guess what, the generation passed away 2000 years ago and still no Son of Man.
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It wasn't a reference to that generation, it was a reference to the Generation that sees these things come to pass, such as the Rebirth of Israel. This is why so many Christians believe that we are living very close to the coming of the anti-christ.

None of them.
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Whether he is referenced specifically as the Anti-Christ or not, the reference is completely valid, as he attempts to replace Christ on earth.
 
Pardalis said:
What do you mean by "global"? What did the word "global" mean 2000 years ago?

And where is it written in the Bible "global economic collapse". Did global economy exist as a concept back then?
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This verse can be interpreted as economic troubles. All of these things happening in the last days are global, so it would be a global economic problem.

The last sentence could also be seen as the governments of the world attempting to prop up the rich banks and corporations. Oil and Wine both being things that the Rich could afford back when this was written.

Revelation 6:5 - 6:6 - “And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.’”
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hamelekim said:
Revelation 6:5 - 6:6 - “And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.’”
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You see "global economic collapse" in that? :boggled:

What about the rest? The four beasts and the black horse?
 
Pardalis said:
How will we know it's him?
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If you read revelations you will know what to look for.

First off http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-christ

"Antichrist" is the English translation of the original Koine Greek ἀντίχριστος, pronounced än-tē'-khrē-stos. It is made up of two root words, αντί + Χριστός (anti + Christos). "Αντί" can mean not only “against” and “opposite of”, but also “in place of",[2] "Χριστός", translated "Christ", is Greek for the Hebrew "Messiah" meaning "anointed," and refers to Jesus of Nazareth.[3] The term "antichrist" appears 5 times in 1 John and 2 John of the New Testament — once in plural form and four times in the singular. [4]
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Paul in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2.[11] Paul uses the term man of sin to describe what John identifies as the Antichrist.[12] Paul writes that this Man of Sin (sometimes translated son of perdition) will possess a number of characteristics. These include "sitting in the temple", opposing himself against anything that is worshiped, claiming divine authority,[13] working all kinds of counterfeit miracles and signs,[14] and doing all kinds of evil.[15] Paul notes that "the mystery of lawlessness"[16] (though not the Man of Sin himself) was working in secret already during his day and will continue to function until being destroyed on the Last Day.[17] His identity is to be revealed after that which is restraining him is removed.[11][17]
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Further http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 13:1-18;&version=31;

And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. 4Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"
5The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. 6He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
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11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
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Pardalis said:
You see "global economic collapse" in that? :boggled:

What about the rest? The four beasts and the black horse?
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I certainly don't see just famine. If it was just famine then what caused it? it's caused by a global economic problems. We have seen food prices increasing globally, and riots in some poorer countries because of the increase in commodities like rice.

I'm not sure what the white horse is. red is war and pale last one is some kind of global epidemic.
 
Pardalis said:
Could it be him, for example?

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The Bible says that we won't know until he is revealed to the entire world. In fact the first time he comes on the world stage, that we know of, is the 7 year peace deal. so I would argue no.
 
It's so unlikely for someone to fulfill the prophecies in the OT, even Jesus didn't, well, according to this Jew:

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I guess we will find out one day who was right.
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At least it gives people something to look forward to. That's nice.

hamelekim said:
That's your opinion.

Considering the nature of God, and that he created everything in existence, it's pretty arrogant of you to question such a superior being.
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Nah, he'll forgive me.
 
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When you start with huge chunks of very poetic and surreal language, and you throw away or disregard all the parts (even within the passages you pick and choose) that you don't have a clear interpretation for, then it's very easy to show prophesy coming true.

At many many points in the last 2000 or so years, large numbers of people have seen world events as fullfillment of doomsday prophesy.

If you'd like, we can take a text with a similar texture, say Alice in Wonderland, and come up with many passages that equally seem to predict current events.
 
It wasn't a reference to that generation, it was a reference to the Generation that sees these things come to pass, such as the Rebirth of Israel
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Where do you get this from? I read the chapter in context - Jesus is speaking to his disciples, and doesn't redefine 'this generation' as anything but... that generation.

Not that it matters, because

a) He is even clearer in Matthew 16:28, where He states that "I tell you the truth: some standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom".

b) He says that the end of the world will take place when no one expects it, and with all the End Timers around today (and pretty much every day since Jesus' time), that's certainly not the case now.
 
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hamelekim said:
That's his opinion. I guess we will find out one day who was right.
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That's his opinion based on the scripture handed down from God. If I were a religious person, that would seem to be a pretty valid opinion. Are you refuting his opinion scriptually, or are you simply relying on Pascal's Wager to cover your bets?
 
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