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Speak up for autism on Nov. 1st

If something leaves you unable to or impaired with regards to functioning in society, treatment is an obvious option.

Perhaps it is. But if you can't get up stairs because of your wheelchair, shifting society until it is not only standard practise but actually a legal requirement to build steps is (obviously?) a better option.

It was once the case that, in some societies, being black was an 'impairment'. In many areas being born a woman left you unable to 'function' in society. I'm confident there are still areas where being gay will 'leave you unable or impaired with regards to functioning in society'.

But it's not the colour of your skin, the arrangement of your genitalia or your sexual preferences that will actually be the cause of your 'inability' or 'impairment'. It's your society, building all those stairs when ramps would do for everyone.

I do feel sorry for all those able-bodied, white, male heterosexuals, who must be feeling pretty weary of all these special interest groups pushing for a society that enables the 'unable' and that does not knowingly impair any of its citizens.
 
Is anyone actually suggesting massive brain surgery to cure Asperger syndrome?

What are you suggesting to 'cure' Aspergians? You're the one insisting on treatment, don't pretend it's a massive strawman. Nor is it a strawman to ask what 'treatment' you suggest for being black, female, gay or paraplegic.

The 'treatment' is ramps. I don't have to point out that you're not to take that literally, do I?
 
I'm not exactly sure what the rest of us are going to do in response to this.
Go on social networking sites like you normally would and don't donate to the charity sponsoring the communication blackout.

Doing nothing will actually help. :D


I'm also not sure what the opposition to treatment to help you function in society is all about. I'm treated for mental disorders that help me function in society. So is everyone else. Aspies just like anyone else have a right to refuse treatment, but the vehement opposition to research is alien to me. If something leaves you unable to or impaired with regards to functioning in society, treatment is an obvious option.
The opposition is not so much to treatment to help people function as it is to finding a "cure".

Most people with autism want help with learning how to function in society. In fact, a big gripe is that there aren't very many services to help autistic adults function -- the focus seems to be on children.

What we object to is people trying to find a "cure" for autism. There's a movement out there that portrays autism as this horrible plague that must be eliminated. There's even research aimed at finding a genetic marker for autism so that any fetus showing signs of autism can be aborted.

Autism is a neurological condition. It makes up a significant portion (if not all) of a person's personality. It's who we are. If you take away my autism, you're taking away what makes me me.
 
Perhaps it is. But if you can't get up stairs because of your wheelchair, shifting society until it is not only standard practise but actually a legal requirement to build steps is (obviously?) a better option.

It was once the case that, in some societies, being black was an 'impairment'. In many areas being born a woman left you unable to 'function' in society. I'm confident there are still areas where being gay will 'leave you unable or impaired with regards to functioning in society'.

But it's not the colour of your skin, the arrangement of your genitalia or your sexual preferences that will actually be the cause of your 'inability' or 'impairment'. It's your society, building all those stairs when ramps would do for everyone.

I do feel sorry for all those able-bodied, white, male heterosexuals, who must be feeling pretty weary of all these special interest groups pushing for a society that enables the 'unable' and that does not knowingly impair any of its citizens.

I'm not able-bodied. Why do you imply that?

Also, your comparisons with misogyny and apartheid are absurd. It emphasizes excessive entitlement.

If we could give working prosthetic legs to every wheelchair-bound person, I bet we would. Sadly, we can't. In the meanwhile, we make sure they can get where they need to.

Of course we need support groups, not just for Aspies and Auties but for all people who feel they don't fit in, neurological disorder or not. And if medication can help without severe side effects that outweigh the benefit then why not? I can understand why looking for a specific "cure" in this case is a bit absurd, however, especially when we don't even know the cause.

I'm on medication that quite drastically alters my behaviour, but I actually see the benefits from it, that is, being able to function among people without appearing completely crazy. Before that, I didn't expect people to "accept" the fact that I had very powerful mood swings (suicidal depression <-> hypomania within the hour), I explained it to them and then left it to them to hang around me or not. Some people avoided me, others hung in there. I destroyed my chances with the then-love of my life due to it, but I don't blame her for it. If you, for whatever reason, act in a way that it takes excessive amounts of energy, you are not entitled to any sort of special treatment. Some people may choose to overlook it due to your other redeeming qualities, others won't. And if you choose not to take medication that may help, people certainly are in the right to move away from you if they feel that, perhaps, you're egotistical in not taking a medication, and placing an excessive burden on them.

As for identifying a gene, once again, I don't see the problem. If parents feel that they don't want to raise a child that will require large efforts to function, or may in fact barely function at all in society, then that's their right, whatever the name of the diagnosis.
 
Autism is a neurological condition. It makes up a significant portion (if not all) of a person's personality. It's who we are. If you take away my autism, you're taking away what makes me me.

Is it a neurological disorder or condition? If it's the latter, we all have neurological conditions that affect our personalities. Anyone who has ever raised a child (especially if more than one) clearly sees how much of the personality is present without any form of nurture. Many of us choose to alter our personalties, such as the shy person who takes up public speaking, the addict who stays away from drugs, or the volatile person who wants to control their anger.

I'm puzzled as to what you want from society.
 
I've never even thought of asking for respect and acceptance for having aspergers.

But I seem to get it anyway.

It's the bisexual thing that I want and for the most case, that's what I get.
 
So not any special treatment.
Not for myself, no. My autism -- if indeed that's what I have -- isn't severe enough to require accommodations.

However, autism is known as spectrum disorder because the severity runs the gamut from completely non-verbal to merely eccentric. Those who need help to be able to function in society should be given that help.
 
Not for myself, no. My autism -- if indeed that's what I have -- isn't severe enough to require accommodations.

However, autism is known as spectrum disorder because the severity runs the gamut from completely non-verbal to merely eccentric. Those who need help to be able to function in society should be given that help.
And they are not now, in relation to how much help other disabled people get?
 
I'm not able-bodied. Why do you imply that?

I did not imply that. Where do you think you see such implication?

Also, your comparisons with misogyny and apartheid are absurd. It emphasizes excessive entitlement.

No comparisons are absurd. Some things that are compared will have less in common than others, but 100% commonality indicates identical things, and to 'compare' something to itself is absurd and only doesn't contradict the opening sentence of this paragraph because it isn't, in fact, a comparison.

Do, please, point out any and all dissimilar elements of any things I compare to other things. I'll promise not to be faintly patronising in response.

I am unsure what you mean by 'It emphasises excessive entitlement'. I'm guessing 'it' is '[my] comparisons', and they 'emphasises (sic) excessive entitlement'. Where is the excessive entitlement, whatever that may mean?

(By the by, I was talking of racism and sexism, not apartheid - which tends to imply South African politics - or misogyny, which is really very uncommon and has been appropriated as a misunderstood word to stand for 'witch' in the current mechanics of social outrage.)

If we could give working prosthetic legs to every wheelchair-bound person, I bet we would. Sadly, we can't. In the meanwhile, we make sure they can get where they need to.

Or, as you might more relevantly have said, "Now, at last, and after much direct action by a disability lobby that inconvenienced the able-bodied community and raised awareness of the social disability model, we make sure they can get where they want to.

Of course we need support groups, not just for Aspies and Auties but for all people who feel they don't fit in, neurological disorder or not. And if medication can help without severe side effects that outweigh the benefit then why not? I can understand why looking for a specific "cure" in this case is a bit absurd, however, especially when we don't even know the cause.

Again, for the hard of understanding: Aspergians do not 'feel' they don't fit in, any more than a square peg 'feels' it doesn't fit in a round hole. Disability rights groups (I'll skip the other examples you 'feel' show excessive entitlement) did not 'feel' disadvantaged by a societal attitude that said 'I can get up stairs, you can't, there are stairs, because I built them to get up there, so you are disabled by them and here's some happy pills for your hurt feelings'. They did not 'feel' disadvantaged, they were disadvantaged.

The changes in society that enable not only wheelchair-users but also, for example, blind and deaf people were not the gift of some altruistic society, no matter how much you 'bet' on that result. The squeaky wheel eventually got some grease. I'm prepared to belief that since then awareness has grown such that a lot of voters would approve a policy of free prosthetic legs for all - but it would still be politicians deciding whether that happened...because let's face it, it could happen. We put men on the moon, a massively expensive operation - we lack a similar compulsion to distribute free legs.

I'm on medication that quite drastically alters my behaviour, but I actually see the benefits from it, that is, being able to function among people without appearing completely crazy. Before that, I didn't expect people to "accept" the fact that I had very powerful mood swings (suicidal depression <-> hypomania within the hour), I explained it to them and then left it to them to hang around me or not. Some people avoided me, others hung in there. I destroyed my chances with the then-love of my life due to it, but I don't blame her for it. If you, for whatever reason, act in a way that it takes excessive amounts of energy, you are not entitled to any sort of special treatment.

Oh, I see, you think autists are arguing for some law or other that would oblige people to like them. No wonder I've not been catching your drift. If you, for whatever reason, can't get up these steps, why should I expend excessive energy arranging special treament for you? Build your own ramp, whiner.

As for identifying a gene, once again, I don't see the problem. If parents feel that they don't want to raise a child that will require large efforts to function, or may in fact barely function at all in society, then that's their right, whatever the name of the diagnosis.

Where 'right' equals 'something I think people should have, because I would want it'. Terminating pregnanices due to unwanted genes is a right...whatever the name of the biosocial pseudoscience.
 
OK, let's make this short. What, exactly, do you want from society?

You think that would be short?

ETA: Let's graciously assume you didn't actually mean everything I would want 'from' society (which is at least four assumptions), nor 'exactly' (which is not really an assumption because you can't have meant 'exactly' and 'short' and I'm sure you meant 'short'). My best effort at a concise expression of what I expect from society, at least in the terms of this thread, is 'continued progress'.

Have at it, sir.
 
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The question was short. Your answer can be as long as you want it to be.

You might be right (I'd try for the million if you're certain you were). In that case, however, I'd expect the response to be 'tl;dr'. In this case, my answer is precisely as long as I wanted it to be (funny, that...).

My questions were relatively short, but apparantly none were short enough to warrant a response, any response at all...other than an ambiguous, misleading, goal-post shifting question.

You can make your answers as long as you want, Tubba, but if it helps let's start with just one of the questions your previous post raised (all of which you neglected to respond to) and let's keep it short:

What, exactly, do you mean by 'emphasises an excessive entitlement?'
 
You might be right (I'd try for the million if you're certain you were). In that case, however, I'd expect the response to be 'tl;dr'. In this case, my answer is precisely as long as I wanted it to be (funny, that...).

I would appreciate if you would follow the progression below and respond. The original question was asking what the person wants from society.

Just the same basic respect and acceptance that every person should have.

In what ways does that not happen now?
 
I can understand ramps etc for the wheelchair bound.
That is a failing of society to provide access to public places for people in wheel chairs.

As for respect and acceptance, well my parents taught me that those reactions from society, are earned and not just given, regardless of race, creed, belief or condition.

In other words, my level of acceptance into society and the amount of respect society shows me, is directly proportional to my attitude and behaviour.

Now I understand that Aspies, at least those who are affected more severely, have problems with social interaction.
People should, if they are aware of the persons condition, react with compassion and understanding.

However, in many cases, society is not aware of this on first encountering the Aspie. So I think that a little understanding from both sides is in order.

The only way we can garner that understanding is through dialogue and interaction.:)
 
You might be right (I'd try for the million if you're certain you were). In that case, however, I'd expect the response to be 'tl;dr'. In this case, my answer is precisely as long as I wanted it to be (funny, that...).

My questions were relatively short, but apparantly none were short enough to warrant a response, any response at all...other than an ambiguous, misleading, goal-post shifting question.

You can make your answers as long as you want, Tubba, but if it helps let's start with just one of the questions your previous post raised (all of which you neglected to respond to) and let's keep it short:

What, exactly, do you mean by 'emphasises an excessive entitlement?'
The problem is that unless you state clearly what you want, you can just acrobat your way around anything I say and reply with "No, that's not really what I meant!" and make up more irrelevant analogies about black people and wheelchairs.

What I mean is that it shows very clearly that you somehow think that you are far more than reasonably entitled to something from society. I don't know what it is, since you haven't said so yet. Using the term "Aspergians" appears to be a warning flag.
 
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