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Sovereign Citizens Hijinks

dudalb said:
Ironically, one of the most publicizes attempts to use Sovereign Citizen nonsense to get out of paying taxes was Wesley Snipes a few years ago. Did not work very well for him.
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I never understood why he wasn't able to make some kind of deal to stay out of prison. Fines, penalties, community service, sure. But three years in federal prison? It sounds like he got some terrible legal advice.
 
Bob001 said:
I never understood why he wasn't able to make some kind of deal to stay out of prison. Fines, penalties, community service, sure. But three years in federal prison? It sounds like he got some terrible legal advice.
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Not as bad as his Tax advice though.......:D
 
Bob001 said:
I never understood why he wasn't able to make some kind of deal to stay out of prison. Fines, penalties, community service, sure. But three years in federal prison? It sounds like he got some terrible legal advice.
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He was getting truely bad advice from a Soc Cit lawyer.
 
Bob001 said:
I never understood why he wasn't able to make some kind of deal to stay out of prison. Fines, penalties, community service, sure. But three years in federal prison? It sounds like he got some terrible legal advice.
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Because he was defiant to the end. He went with a not guilty SovCit defense. He had no interest in any deals because he was certain that he didn't have to pay taxes because he's a Sovereign Citizen. The jury did acquit him of the worst charges of fraud.

http://www.today.com/id/22955757/ns...t/t/wesley-snipes-acquitted-federal-tax-fraud
 
I am quite genuinely terrified at the idea of the Hebrew Israelite and SovCit belief systems fusing. That's a dangerous combination.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Uhm, not to bother you off the clock, but I'm still waiting on a response to that demand. We have big plans for Victoria becoming the Las Vegas of Pacific.

'K, thanks.

Chief Dr. Keith
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You haven't received the traditional response of a packet of salt and a hammer yet?
 
Resume said:
Like this guy?


Sovereign Citizen in Canada. Goes from Brave to Baby in 2 Seconds
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Did I see it correctly he had tied himself to the steering wheel?

I know this one's in Canada, but I've also seen a few from the USA. What amazes me is the amount of patience the police have with these loons. When someone reaches for the glove compartment to get their papers, it's "bang bang" because the officer fears they're getting a gun, but when one of these loons says "I'm a SovCit and Traffic Law does not apply to me", they keep arguing. I'd think that's the moment the police officer should draw their gun and order "get out of the car in three seconds flat, or I shoot".
 
ddt said:
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Did I see it correctly he had tied himself to the steering wheel?

I know this one's in Canada, but I've also seen a few from the USA. What amazes me is the amount of patience the police have with these loons. When someone reaches for the glove compartment to get their papers, it's "bang bang" because the officer fears they're getting a gun, but when one of these loons says "I'm a SovCit and Traffic Law does not apply to me", they keep arguing. I'd think that's the moment the police officer should draw their gun and order "get out of the car in three seconds flat, or I shoot".
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I dont think they should be shot for arguing, thats a bit extreme. Disagreeing with someone is not and should not be a capital offence. Seeing them humilliated is much more entertaining anyway.
 
Hungry81 said:
I dont think they should be shot for arguing, thats a bit extreme. Disagreeing with someone is not and should not be a capital offence. Seeing them humilliated is much more entertaining anyway.
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The latter, sure. I didn't intend to shoot someone for arguing. And there can be a legitimate argument why in this case, the police doesn't have the right to detain you, or to search your trunk. But blanket statements like "I don't have to obey traffic law" should be cut short.
 
Pterodactyl said:
Yeah I dunno about that math, but I agree with the point.
I had long assumed that SCs were associated with white nationalism, and stemmed from the anti-government militia types in the west, but lately it seems they are becoming more racially diverse.
Does that constitute an improvement?
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There is an offshoot called Moorish Citizens or something similar which is for African-American people.
 
Pterodactyl said:
I get some annual training at work on SCs, but the stuff I learn on this forum is 10x more interesting. Thanks WP. I am fascinated by these people, and what could possibly make them think the things they do. Kind of like bigfooters, actually.
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It's much more harmful that bigfootery. Believing the woods are full of large bipedal primates is stupid, but it won't land you in jail or get you foreclosed out of your home (not directly, anyway).
 
ddt said:
The latter, sure. I didn't intend to shoot someone for arguing. And there can be a legitimate argument why in this case, the police doesn't have the right to detain you, or to search your trunk. But blanket statements like "I don't have to obey traffic law" should be cut short.
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Anyone else hear the driver admit on camera that he was operating a vehicle on a public road without legitimate tags?

That in itself is reason to stop and search, regardless of "contract".

As a representative of those who collectively own the road, an officer has the duty to remove anyone who does not respect that sovereignty.;)
 
ddt said:
I'd think that's the moment the police officer should draw their gun and order "get out of the car in three seconds flat, or I shoot".
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But in Canada, a cop drawing his gun is actually a pretty huge thing. In fact, based on what we've seen in the media, a Canadian cop just drawing his gun is likely to be examined more closely than a US cop who actually fires his weapon.

It's a fundamentally different police culture here.

A few examples:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=233965427


http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/beau-ba...can-police-officers-fire-their-guns-1.2314279

Lewis says police officers are taught to only draw weapons when they believe someone’s life may be in danger.

“Police officers have to do all they can to not escalate situations,” he said.

“They’re going to talk and they’re going to watch hands, and watch for signs that ultimately cause them to fear for their safety in some way. No police officer goes to work wanting to pull that firearm.”
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http://www.citynews.ca/2015/07/14/what-happens-when-a-handgun-is-fired-by-police/

Every time an officer in Ontario withdraws their weapon in the course of duty – whether they fire it or not – there is paperwork to be filled out, Toronto Police Const. Caroline de Kloet explained.

The form is known as a Use of Force report and is used by all police agencies across the province.
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leonAzul said:
Anyone else hear the driver admit on camera that he was operating a vehicle on a public road without legitimate tags?
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Yes, he claimed that was the reason the officer drew down on him, rather than the fact he was attempting to flee, and perhaps hit an officer as he did.
 
The Moorish Temple guys have great hats.

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