So what form does the resistance take?

[Hlafordlaes]

You misunderstand. My point is that I live in a Democrat enclave. My city and my state overwhelmingly voted for Biden.

It's no sign of any real resistance, for the same people who came out to the polls against Trump in November, to come out to the plaza against Trump today. It's still the same population. They're not suddenly more of a threat to the administration, simply by existing today, than they were last fall.

Already addressed:


There's real resistance going on. These protests in Democratic enclaves in the US aren't it.

I see what you mean.

Not sure I concur, as silent witnesses count, and there are many, more as time goes on. In the absence of protest, it can appear that there is a false consensus or that there are no serious issues, such as Project 2025 being very much Trump's agenda, in spite of pre-election lies. Post elections, it's a new round, not a repeat.

 

[Hercules56]

That's an oxymoron. A rebellious military would not invade Greenland. A military that invaded Greenland would not stage a coup.

What I mean is they would refuse to obey the illegal orders and arrest Trump instead.

 

[dann]

Alan Rusbridger on X, April 6, 2025
What if Zuckerberg and Bezos had held their nerve?
What if ABC had told Trump they’d see him in court?
What if the Ivy League Universities had stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Columbia?
What if the fabulously wealthy law firms had joined together to sue Trump for trying to blackmail them?
But that would require powerful and wealthy people to show a bit of backbone.
Cowardice is contagious.
Welcome to the Great Grovel
Since Trump came to power cowardice has become contagious (Prospect Magazine, April 4, 2025)

I don't believe in if anymore ...

 

[arthwollipot]

'See, the liberals gather outside the Capitol too! When we did that they called it an insurrection!!'

You know what we didn't see yesterday? Violence and vandalism.

 

[dann]

Sure they can, if they're the same three million people who lost an election.Trump already knows millions of people voted against him. Those same people making a big stink about how they exist and don't like him isn't going to change anything.

If people making a big stink about losing an election to Trump bothered me, I'd have moved years ago.

I don't think people who lost an election making a big production of being mad they lost an election are effective. If they were effective, they'd have won the election.

Meanwhile, I think that protests from people who lost an election are no more effective than their lack of votes was effective.

They're not huge, though. They're a subset of the people who voted against him and lost.

I am not sure why you keep repeating ad nauseam that the people protesting are people who voted for Trump. Many of them no doubt are, but do you have statistics or polls proving that protesters = Harris voters?
Maybe it's time for you to take a look at the current approval ratings! Except for the dwindling minority of MAGA maniacs, people hate the guy and his policies, not least his tanking of the economy. The number of people who disapprove of him can't all be Kamala Harris voters. There are far too many of them, which makes it highly likely that a lot of the people at the protests are disillusioned Trump voters or people who didn't vote at all.

Enten on Trump’s approval rating and chance of recession (CNN on YouTube, April 7, 2025 - 5:06 min.)
CNN chief data analyst Harry Enten reports on President Donald Trump’s net approval rating and explains the chances of a possible recession after US stocks plunge.

There are also stories like these:

‘I voted for Trump, but I didn’t vote for this’: Rep. Scholten shares stories from her constituents (MSNBC on YouTube, April 7, 2025 - 6:43 min.)
Thousands of Americans in cities across the country Saturday marched at “Hands Off” rallies to protest President Trump, Elon Musk, tariffs, and cuts to the government by DOGE. Rep. Hillary Scholten (D-MI) discusses the galvanizing effect of these marches, a bill for proxy voting for parents in the House that saw Speaker Johnson send the whole House home, and protections for child labor laws.

By the way, there is no reason to think that "Trump already knows millions of people voted against him." Trump definitely ought to know that, but he keeps repeating the lie (and he pays people to tell him the lie) that everybody loves him and that he won by a landslide.

 

[dann]

You know what we didn't see yesterday? Violence and vandalism.

I'll admit that I'm a little disappointed that nobody pooped on MTG's desk!

 

[dann]

I have to correct myself on this one:

By the way, there is no reason to think that "Trump already knows millions of people voted against him." Trump definitely ought to know that, but he keeps repeating the lie (and he pays people to tell him the lie) that everybody loves him and that he won by a landslide.

I think Sam Harris is right.

Sam Harris: This Is the Real Reason Trump Lies (Sam Harris on YouTube, April 5, 2025 - 3:12 min.)
The harder the lies are to believe, I mean, really, the impossible lie functions even better in this kind of environment because it functions like a loyalty test, right? Like, this is a code for being in the cult, and what it does is, it nullifies everybody's efforts to even understand what is going on in the world.

It's the logic of the school bully. He doesn't care that people know he's lying as long as they appear to agree with him, which is the main point. The weakest of his followers know what it's all about: to say openly and enthusiastically that Big Brother is right, and his opponents are wrong. What reality is becomes unimportant to them, irrelevant:

It's not my job to know what's going on in the world. I'm just going to be obedient and keep my head down. I'm just going to put a, you know, sign in the window, you claiming to believe the Big Lie, so that, you know, that no one, you know, drags me out of my shop and and beats me to death on the sidewalk.

That is not how it works for the most cynical of his followers. They may still know the difference between the real world and Trump's lies, but they repeat the lies for the advantage it gets them and attack people who criticize the lie for the same reason.

It's the reason why it is entirely irrelevant to all members of the cult when Trump is caught in a lie. And he is, all the time.

He lies in ways that are totally transparent, right? He'll tell you a building he built is 10 stories taller than it is in fact, right, and all you have to do is stand outside and count the floors. It's all BS.

But for the members of the cult, every fact-checked lie is an opportunity to defend it, interpret it, and make it appear to be reasonable, somehow. Defending the lie and repeating it, is the happiest they can be. Karoline Leavitt couldn't be any happier than when she is confronted with the insanity of the Trump lies and gets to stand up for him.
She would be the perfect girlfriend of the school bully.

 

[Hercules56]

You know what we didn't see yesterday? Violence and vandalism.

We also didn't see thousands of people breaking into the capital building and doing damage while hunting for members of Congress to kidnap and possibly injure or kill.

We also didn't see thousands of people trying to delay and disrupt one of the most important functions of Congress, through violence and intimidation.

 

[steenkh]

You know what we didn't see yesterday? Violence and vandalism.

Surely that was not what happened? Trump himself described it as a "love fest".

 

[theprestige]

I am not sure why you keep repeating ad nauseam that the people protesting are people who voted for Trump. Many of them no doubt are, but do you have statistics or polls proving that protesters = Harris voters?
Maybe it's time for you to take a look at the current approval ratings! Except for the dwindling minority of MAGA maniacs, people hate the guy and his policies, not least his tanking of the economy. The number of people who disapprove of him can't all be Kamala Harris voters. There are far too many of them, which makes it highly likely that a lot of the people at the protests are disillusioned Trump voters or people who didn't vote at all.

74 million people voted for Harris. Are you saying there's been more than 74 million people turning out for these protests?

My city is overwhelmingly and staunchly progressive in its politics. The number of Trump voters within a day's travel of our downtown is miniscule, compared to the number of Harris voters who live within the city limits. It's absurd to think the protest here included a substantial number of disgruntled Trump voters. Why on earth would you hypothesize that Portland, OR, suddenly became a MAGA stronghold this weekend?

 

[Reformed Offlian]

74 million people voted for Harris. Are you saying there's been more than 74 million people turning out for these protests?

No, I'm pretty sure he is saying no such thing.

Are *you* suggesting that the pool of Harris voters must first be exhausted before anyone else could possibly join the protests? Because otherwise, your question makes no sense.

 

[theprestige]

No, I'm pretty sure he is saying no such thing.

Are *you* suggesting that the pool of Harris voters must first be exhausted before anyone else could possibly join the protests? Because otherwise, your question makes no sense.

I'm saying it's absurd to claim that the protests are too big to be just Harris voters.

Certainly there's no large pool of disgruntled Trump voters in the Portland, OR, metro area. Nor has rural Oregon been hard hit by Trump policies yet.

Wait, do you and dann seriously believe that these protests include a significant number of right-wing voters upset with the way things are turning out?

 

[Reformed Offlian]

I'm saying it's absurd to claim that the protests are too big to be just Harris voters.

dann didn't say that. He said that there were too many people disapproving of Trump in polls to all be just Harris voters. Reread his post.

Certainly there's no large pool of disgruntled Trump voters in the Portland, OR, metro area. Nor has rural Oregon been hard hit by Trump policies yet.

Wait, do you and dann seriously believe that these protests include a significant number of right-wing voters upset with the way things are turning out?

Nope. Work on your reading comprehension. Or your intellectual honesty. Or both.

ETA: Are all non-Harris voters "right wing"?

 

[johnny karate]

I'm saying it's absurd to claim that the protests are too big to be just Harris voters.

Certainly there's no large pool of disgruntled Trump voters in the Portland, OR, metro area. Nor has rural Oregon been hard hit by Trump policies yet.

Wait, do you and dann seriously believe that these protests include a significant number of right-wing voters upset with the way things are turning out?

There were plenty of protests in red districts, but I have to admit, your underlying premise that Trump voters are too ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ stupid to recognize how badly they're being rat-◊◊◊◊◊◊ has some validity to it.

 

[bruto]

I'm saying it's absurd to claim that the protests are too big to be just Harris voters.

Certainly there's no large pool of disgruntled Trump voters in the Portland, OR, metro area. Nor has rural Oregon been hard hit by Trump policies yet.

Wait, do you and dann seriously believe that these protests include a significant number of right-wing voters upset with the way things are turning out?

I think it might depend on what you consider "significant." Trump's margin, and that of the R. party in general, is not all that great. If even a few of the protesters now out there are disgruntled right wing voters, and if we can hopefully surmise that their number will increase with time rather than the opposite, then perhaps it is worth at least considering and wondering whether a trend is on its way.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

perhaps it is worth at least considering and wondering whether a trend is on its way.

Of course not, don't be silly. The Thousand Year Reich will last a Hundr... Eightyei... :counts on fingers: Uhm... er, a great many beautiful years!

 

[I Am The Scum]

I'm saying it's absurd to claim that the protests are too big to be just Harris voters.

Certainly there's no large pool of disgruntled Trump voters in the Portland, OR, metro area. Nor has rural Oregon been hard hit by Trump policies yet.

Wait, do you and dann seriously believe that these protests include a significant number of right-wing voters upset with the way things are turning out?

Yeah, getting Trump supporters upset at this administration takes something really egregious, like endorsing the MMR vaccine.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Surely tanking global markets is reason to impeach Trump, and Vance too for that matter?

When the hell are Democrats going to start impeachment proceedings?

 

[arthwollipot]

Surely tanking global markets is reason to impeach Trump, and Vance too for that matter?

When the hell are Democrats going to start impeachment proceedings?

They don't have the votes.

 

[Orphia Nay]

They don't have the votes.

Have they actually had a vote?