So, Cain is better than Bill Clinton.

Biscuit said:
So like Joe said he is better at mistreating women and getting away with it. How is that a quality in a leader?
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That is a huge grey area. The woman continued to work for Cain or at least the company. Mistreating women can range from getting drunk at an office party and saying something offensive to beating a woman to death. It can range from a slip of the tongue to planing and carrying out murder or rape.

I do not think either men, in their mind, went about intentionally and knowingly hurting or wanting to cause harm to another human being. Even Bill Clinton, I am sure, figured that woman who he invited to his hotel room when he was governor went there knowing that if he dropped his pants, it was what they both expected.
 
Bill Thompson said:
If a legal matter is settled, for legal purposes, it is just as good as not having happened at all.
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Care to bet on that?

If you're trying to say the settlement precludes the woman from pursuing a lawsuit, I'd agree (as long as the settlement isn't breached). But it's most certainly not as good as something never having happened. A settlement is really just a contract where the two parties agree on a quid pro quo (there has to be offer and acceptance, though usually there is back and forth negotiation). It actually binds both parties to adhere to its terms.

If you mean that Cain's settling is not an admission of guilt, I agree with you there. There's no reason to presume Cain committed sexual harassment.

But it's not over and done with--especially from a political point of view.

Again, my own position is that I'm much more concerned about Cain's horrible policy positions on everything from immigration to abortion to taxation and jobs. But he hasn't done any wonderful job TCB of this matter.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Even if the allegations are false, it remains to be seen whether Cain has done any better than Clinton at dealing with them.

See above. Cain has yet to win ANY political election. Clinton survived or (TCB) for some time as Governor, and won two presidential elections. If Cain thinks this issue has been dealt with once and for all, he's in for a rude awakening. The settlement might have ended matters if he stayed in the private sector.
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What I meant is, to them Clinton is the criminal who wriggled out of the consequences for his crimes, whereas Cain is the innocent victim persecuted by liberal racists and feminists - ergo Cain is better than Clinton.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Care to bet on that?

If you're trying to say the settlement precludes the woman from pursuing a lawsuit, I'd agree (as long as the settlement isn't breached). But it's most certainly not as good as something never having happened.
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That is not exactly what I said, now, is it. Do you see?
 
RandFan said:
Which is as I understand typical and not a valid argument against their claims.
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At the same time, if this was anything at all like the Paula Jones case, this woman would be out in public with microphones in her face and at least one lawyer in an expensive suit standing along side her. If i was going to bet on this deal with Cain, I would guess it was a minor thing in comparison to what Paula Jones said Bill Clinton did.
 
Bill Thompson said:
At the same time, if this was anything at all like the Paula Jones case, this woman would be out in public with microphones in her face and at least one lawyer in an expensive suit standing along side her. If i was going to bet on this deal with Cain, I would guess it was a minor thing in comparison to what Paula Jones said Bill Clinton did.
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I don't buy the argument for a number of reasons. First and foremost is that Cain isn't a sitting president.
 
Bill Thompson said:
That is a huge grey area. The woman continued to work for Cain or at least the company. Mistreating women can range from getting drunk at an office party and saying something offensive to beating a woman to death. It can range from a slip of the tongue to planing and carrying out murder or rape.
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But sexual harassment is by definition mistreating someone, right? And the "someone"s we're speaking of are all women, right?

So again, specifically, how is Cain better than Clinton?
 
Bill Thompson said:
I like how lefty skips across a subject kind of like how someone can skip a rock across the surface of a pond.
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I know the feeling....it's just like you skipping over this post.

SezMe said:
Nope. Cain says he knew nothing of the settlements. So he gets no credit. Actually, it's worse. As head of the NRA if he, in fact, did not know of the settlements, he is an incompetent executive.

Your choice, Bill. Which way do you want to go with this? He knew and is thus a liar or he didn't know and is incompetent. Have fun choosing.
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Bill Thompson said:
I like how lefty skips across a subject kind of like how someone can skip a rock across the surface of a pond.
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Skipping what subject? Cain is a low-life with money and doesn't really give a rat's about making life better for the working class. At least Clinton tried to keep the burden of paying for government at the high end of the food chain.

No one knows what really happened (for now). There is a gag order. We know that the woman continued to work at the company afterwards. It could be that the woman was wrong. No one knows. But the issue is settled.
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Would have been over, if the pizza dude had kept his mouth shut. Would have helped, once he did start flapping his gums, had he kept his story straight.

Thern to lie about what happened and to call the women involved liars was just plain nasty. He deserves what he gets out of the latest round of accusations.

Notice that the media are wanting to dig this up again and magically bring life to it. Compare this to when John Edwards was sleeping with a mistress while campaigning and the press knew about it and kept it quiet because he was their guy.
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Bull flops. They just waited until there was something that they call "evidence" available.

To the lefties, it is not a matter of right vs wrong. It is all just a political game to them.
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No. It's a matter of Cain's weaselliness.
 
leftysergeant said:
Skipping what subject? Cain is a low-life with money and doesn't really give a rat's about making life better for the working class. At least Clinton tried to keep the burden of paying for government at the high end of the food chain.
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No, the Clinton years marked some of the biggest separation between rich and poor. Part of that was because of the internet boom, but Clinton was no populist. He liked rich people and rich people liked him.
 
Bill Thompson said:
That is a huge grey area. The woman continued to work for Cain or at least the company. Mistreating women can range from getting drunk at an office party and saying something offensive to beating a woman to death. It can range from a slip of the tongue to planing and carrying out murder or rape.
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And thus you admire Cain for TCB in regards to his mistreatment of women. You don't seem to object to either Clinton's or Cain's mistreatment but rather how they have dealt with it since?

Once again you are still comparing apples to oranges as Clinton hasn't been in office in over a decade. What is the rights obsession with Clinton?
 
What I find interesting is that in the past weekend there were 50 stories about Cain on the mainstream media about these accusations....

while when clinton had his issues, he had a TOTAL of 6 stories about 3 different "outbreaks" from women.

I love how the media plays it....
 
TruthersLie said:
What I find interesting is that in the past weekend there were 50 stories about Cain on the mainstream media about these accusations....

while when clinton had his issues, he had a TOTAL of 6 stories about 3 different "outbreaks" from women.

I love how the media plays it....
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On what planet was this?
 
TruthersLie said:
What I find interesting is that in the past weekend there were 50 stories about Cain on the mainstream media about these accusations....

while when Clinton had his issues, he had a TOTAL of 6 stories about 3 different "outbreaks" from women.

I love how the media plays it....
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You must have been in a coma during the last half of the Nineties.
 
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Cain's entire run for the Republican nomination is an elaborate hoax... even Kissinger saw this recently when he recognized the irony of the smoker, and the smile on Cain.
Rachel Maddow figured it out and it all makes sense at some level. Pokemon, quoted in the debate, "brother of another mother", "999" out of Sim City, the "yellow flowers" skit, etc. He has an interesting sense of humor. I'm beginning to think he himself leaked the harassment charges.
 
TruthersLie said:
Sorry... I wasn't clear enough.

It was the number of stories that ran the first three days of the allegations. So with cain it has been 50 stories from CBS, ABC, and NBC.

With each of the women vs clinton it was
1 for paula jones
2 for kathleen wiley
and 3 for braddock (IIRC)

http://www.mrc.org/biasalert/2011/20111103124000.aspx
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It's s a very different media world than it was back then. The networks have to jump on stories much more quickly. And they certainly made up for lost time with Clinton.

Why no mention of Gennifer Flowers or Monica Lewinsky? Did those get too much early attention?
 
NotJesus said:
It's s a very different media world than it was back then. The networks have to jump on stories much more quickly. And they certainly made up for lost time with Clinton.

Why no mention of Gennifer Flowers or Monica Lewinsky? Did those get too much early attention?
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Good questiona bout flowers and lewinsky... But maybe we should look and see how much attention those accusations got in the first 3 DAYS.

ETA: Looking into the Lewinsky affair... it was first reported in the drudge report on Jan 18th. it doesn't appear in mainstream news until Jan 21st

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/special_report/1998/clinton_scandal/50031.stm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/timeline.htm

I am not finding any other reporting in ABC, CBS or NBC (not even newsweek who was scooped by drudge) prior to jan 21st... so that would be the reporting of this claim was 1 source within the first 3 days....

Cain is now at 63 stories about him in the first 4 days... .and was at 50 in the first three.


And I also agree with your opinion about how the world has changed... of course it has nothing to do with the fact that this is happening to a republican (the party of "high morals")... nothing to see there.

Until Cain or one of his advisors states that "this is what happens when you drag a $20 bill through a trailer park" I will give him a little bit of lee way... how about you?
 
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