So, Brits. What ya gonna do?

So I take it that everyone is just "okay" with these events. No biggie, huh? Yesterdays news. Water off a duck's back.
Not a bit. Here, it was quite a biggie - we avoided a full-scale military clash that could have led to all-out war.
On the whole, I'd say that pretty well all of us are currently feeling quietly pleased with that achievement.
 
Iran just made you look stupid and weak.
Yeah, they did. By giving in to all our demands without any concessions on our part.

What am I going to do? I'm gonna look for a cute woman with enormous boobs who "makes me look stupid and weak" according to your criteria.
 
I have been repeatedly accused of being a right wing apologist, neocon nutjob, chickenhawk,...ad infinitum. Yet I never once called for any kind of military action to punish Iran or "rescue" the hostages, yet have expressed in no uncertain terms my admiration and support to our Brit allies. What? Have the goalposts moved? What does it take (post-Brit hostage crisis) to have neocon "street-cred" nowadays???

-z
 
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Does that actually mean anything?

Hint for loonies: you have to make the straw man before you knock it down.
 
I have been repeatedly accused of being a right wing apologist, neocon nutjob, chickenhawk,...ad infinitum. Yet I never once called for any kind of military action to punish Iran or "rescue" the hostages, yet have expressed in no uncertain terms my admiration and support to our Brit allies. What? Have the goalposts moved? What does it take (post-Brit hostage crisis) to have neocon "street-cred" nowadays???
Rikzilla,
I am not sure what you want to say here, but.....
I would rather have you than a million Bruces.

I would say I have disagreed with 95% of your posts, but you have never struck me as a person not worth taking seriously. You have never come across as merely trolling.

As to what you need to do to regain neocon street cred, after this thread, I think you're going to have to work hard at it. Recommend that the UK be bombed or something?
;)
 
Rikzilla,
I am not sure what you want to say here, but.....
I would rather have you than a million Bruces.

I would say I have disagreed with 95% of your posts, but you have never struck me as a person not worth taking seriously. You have never come across as merely trolling.

Thank you. I do my humble best. :)

As to what you need to do to regain neocon street cred, after this thread, I think you're going to have to work hard at it. Recommend that the UK be bombed or something?
;)

Sure, why not? (Well, um.., other than the fact my wife is a Brit and she may cut me off for life...) Okay! But let's start with Dr. A's house shall we? ;)

-z
 
Kudos to the Brit Junior Officers

The actions taken by Royal Marine Captain Air and Royal Naval Lieutenant Carman were mature and prudent. The incident is an extension of General Krulak's observations of the contemporary military environment, described in The Strategic Corporal: Leadership in the Three Block War.

"The inescapable lesson of Somalia and of other recent operations, whether humanitarian assistance, peace-keeping, or traditional warfighting, is that their outcome may hinge on decisions made by small unit leaders, and by actions taken at the [SIZE=-1]lowest[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] level.[/SIZE]"

High political tensions, fast paced operations and intense media scrutiny put small unit leaders into situations of having to make immediate, autonomous, highly visible decisions. It is, therefore, incumbent on these leaders to "exercise an exceptional degree of maturity, restraint, and judgment."

The trivial comic opera that played out through the British capture served only to portray the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as amateurishly inept at information warfare. Alternately, a belligerent response by the Brits would have resulted in a much more dire international event that would have been difficult to de-escalate. The prudent decision made by these junior leaders was probably more instinctual than strategically considered, but it turned out to be the proper one.

If criticism needs to be meted out in this incident, then the people who deserve blame are the ship's captain, who did not provide sufficient security cover for the boarding party, and the US neo-cons who are throwing around simple-minded bellicose jabs, like Michael Rubin's "Marmite-eating surrender monkeys." I suspect that this latter group are losing their collective erection since any prospect of a war with Iran is now deferred.
 
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(Sigh) JREF politics. Still the quagmire it was a year ago. Oh well.

Here you go. Talk to the monkey.

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DNFTT.

Anyone want to still imagine Bruce is serious about anything except wanting attention for himself?

Can't imagine what he wants to accomplish whining about a year ago or whatever --- nothing to do with me, I wasn't active then.
 
As a Brit, what am I gonna do about Iran?

Have a glass of Talisker, screw my tiny fists up really tight, and hope that Tony Bliar Foxtrot Oscars very soon.
:D
 
Rikzilla,

I would say I have disagreed with 95% of your posts, but you have never struck me as a person not worth taking seriously. You have never come across as merely trolling.

My thoughts, too. There is a major distinction between someone who is more conservative than me but who has good sound thinking behind their positions and a simple idealogue. In my book, you, Rik, fall into the former category while (to use someone who is not around any more so that feathers won't get ruffled) hammegk falls in the latter.
 
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Well we had a really nice barbecue today with some great friends, and because it's going to be cooler tomorrow hope to get some gardening done, all thanks to the fact that we haven't started to prepare for war. (I mean I like growing some vegetables but digging my lawn up to grow nothing but vegetables would be such a shame since it's taken me three years and even managing with a hosepipe ban for 9 months last year to get it somewhat half decent.)
 
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Tony Blair was at pains to point out that the hostages were released ''without any deal, without any negotiation, without any side agreement of any nature.'' But he's missing (or artfully sidestepping) the point: Tehran didn't want a deal. It wanted the humbling of the Great Satan's principal ally. And it got it. Very easily. And it paid no price for it. And it has tested in useful ways the empty pretensions of the U.N., the EU and also NATO, whose second largest fleet is now a laughingstock in a part of the world where it helps to be taken seriously.

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