Simple question for Bigfoot enthusiasts: Why no unambiguous photos/videos?

[kitakaze]

First, who said they are 'slow moving'?

Think of a fox, rabbit, squirrel, cougar, etc. These are fast moving animals. Size is a crucial factor as well. The issue at hand comes down to that of producing a type specimen. Size and speed being an iimportant factor of an animal being shot and killed. A moose or grizzly bear can move fast when they desire to but usually there great size has them moving more slowly and purposefully. There is no doubt that grizzlies in particular can move stunningly fast when they want to...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgPUhWQxkZk&feature=related

Bigfoot is said to be usually between 7-10ft tall and to weigh many several hundreds of pounds. Unlike a bear, Bigfoot is traditionally said to be a biped (though many would argue they do go into "4x4 mode"). An animal this size and moving about on two rather than four legs is almost certainly not going to be able to match a grizzly bear for speed. Think about a Bigfoot's legs and feet. Essentially these are big hairy version of our own. A real Bigfoot is going to have to be very careful about twisting an ankle or breaking a leg. They only have two and if they mess one of them up, they are out of business - thereby making all the more potential for us to find a dead one. The result is that you're going to have a creature that when it comes to speed and size, there isn't a better reason we should have trouble shooting them than we do for bears, wolves, cougars, etc.

They 'often' come within human inhabited areas and display aggressive behavior toward us?

http://www.bfro.net/gdb/

See for yourself.

Honestly, I can't think of a single precedent for such a mammal.

But I don't think those are accurate depictions of BF behavior.

By all means, then, please tell me what you think are accurate depictions of BF behavior and how you were able to dismiss the inaccurate.

I can say this, all it would take is for ONE blonde blue eyed little girl to be kidnapped from a camp site by a BF. It would only be a matter of hours before we cornered a herd of them with National Guard helicopters equipped with heat seeking instrumentation.

Extensive searches are conducted in the woods all the time where Bigfoot is reported. Still no Bigfoots. It has nothing to do with what you're trying to find. Look at Bigfoot heaven, Northern California. There is a vast mammal detection array set up across the northern half of the state which has been in place for years now to research populations of fishers and dwindling pine martens. That array was what detected what is almost certainly the only wild wolverine living in that part of the world. The evidence was indisputable and DNA samples were taken, tested, and confirmed. And yet this array has never been able to detect a breeding poulation of massive wood apes. Why is that?

 

[HarryHenderson]

...Bigfoot...7-10ft tall...several hundreds of pounds...Bigfoot is...a biped...moving about on two...legs...not going...to match a grizzly bear for speed...these are big hairy version of our own...have to be very careful about twisting an ankle or breaking a leg...only have two... mess one...up...out of business...

Almost funny how you were compelled by others to further describe Bigfoot as a 'relatively slow moving' animal. Wow.

Only OT a little:
Actually, the "Bigfoot can run 40-50 MPH...I saw him as he sped ahead of our car and got in the other lane..." claims of a couple years ago is where I really began to lose the Bigfoot Religion™. And such claims were actually being thoughtfully considered by otherwise 'unanmed persons' whom at the time I had some degree of respect for. I mean c'mon, A (4 legged) thoroughbred horse at full speed can't hardly reach those speeds, yet an overweight (or simply heavy) bipedal monster, with virtually the exact same physiology and geometry as us can run...40...50...MPH...yeah sure! The fact it was contemplated for more than 2 minutes, and it was, completely baffled my teeny tiny brain.

 

[Aepervius]

The students correctly relayed 'what' happened. They did not or could not say 'who' did it.

The witness here said she saw a creature running upright, so 'I' hold that's what she saw.

Bears can 'stand' upright, and even take a few steps, but they don't 'run' upright.

The other difference is that the thing DID 'turn toward the witness', unlike the class room experiment.

Could the students have mistaken the shooter as a dwarf or a child? I don't recall my roommate mentioning a mistake that big. Although admittedly, I wasn't privy to any of the details beyond what my roommate said about what 'he' remembered.

Firstly people (intentionaly or not) change their memory to what they THINK they have seen. SO a "running" animal could have actually been running over a few meter. And YES bear *do* sometimes run over a few meter when in position to attack and upright. heck my *CAT* do that too.

There is also the issue of recognizing what was witnessed. There are enough example of people mistaking animals even from a short distance. Heck there are example in this same forum with porcupine and mangy bears. Combine that people could not even reliably witness what they saw in a relatively common settings in your case, with the fact your "witness" saw something uncommon. Recept for total misidentification.

There have been other study on witness reliability, and let me tell you it straight : you have no basis here. Not a single. Unless you just accept ad-hoc what people tell you.

 

[makaya325]

I pointed out that there are all sorts of other humanoid analogues for a hallucination of some fantastical being...

That is correct, however, Bigfoot WOULD account for most of the sightings of imaginary humanoids (Werewolf, mothman, dogman, etc). You don't see sightings of sauropods or Ropens occuring on the roads, do you? No, you only see humanoids.

 

[makaya325]

Do you see a consistency in your argument? I don't

You did not see that i said that most roadside entities are Human-shaped?

 

[makaya325]

With the same amount of detail accuracy as showed by the student, the tall hairy beast walking upright could have been nearly any bear

Correct

Or Similiar

What on earth is similiar to a bear?

Or even a porcupine. Or a big cat. or a mangy dog...

Now you are being ridicolous

 

[makaya325]

Extensive searches are conducted in the woods all the time where Bigfoot is reported. Still no Bigfoots. It has nothing to do with what you're trying to find. Look at Bigfoot heaven, Northern California. There is a vast mammal detection array set up across the northern half of the state which has been in place for years now to research populations of fishers and dwindling pine martens.

I hope you do know, Kitz, is that Bigfoot heaven STARTS from Northern California and EXTENDS through Washington and Oregon, into Canada.

 

[kitakaze]

I hope you do know, Kitz, is that Bigfoot heaven STARTS from Northern California and EXTENDS through Washington and Oregon, into Canada.

A-ha. I bet there's a point in there somewhere. Care to share?

 

[kitakaze]

That is correct, however, Bigfoot WOULD account for most of the sightings of imaginary humanoids (Werewolf, mothman, dogman, etc). You don't see sightings of sauropods or Ropens occuring on the roads, do you? No, you only see humanoids.

JUDY CHOP!

Driving down the road, is synonymous with sleep hallucinations.

Truck Drivers, people out late, people leaving home early in the morning, are all susceptible to 'seeing things' and filling in the blanks. Often times reporting seeing tires in the road, or other obstacles that made them swerve and end up in a ditch. I would think that Bigfoot sightings would make up a small percentage of driving while sleeping hallucinations.

Your post there...

Sentences -3 (anything more and clunking sounds and smoke begin to emanate from little mak's head.)

Consistency - 0

 

[makaya325]

A-ha. I bet there's a point in there somewhere. Care to share?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Northwest

Look on the BFRO sighting database. Kitz, what states are 1-2-3 in terms of reports? Also, what do they all have in common?

 

[Drewbot]

That is correct, however, Bigfoot WOULD account for most of the sightings of imaginary humanoids (Werewolf, mothman, dogman, etc). You don't see sightings of sauropods or Ropens occuring on the roads, do you? No, you only see humanoids.

Lil' Mak- I really hate responding to you, but the reason there are no Sauropods or Ropen sightings, is that there is no infrastructure in place to record those sightings. BIGFOOT Inc. has sighting-report infrastructure and it's big comparitively.

Dogman Sightings report infrastructure= Gravel Driveway

Bigfoot Sighting report infrastructure= Interstate Highway System

Where would you go to report a sauropod sighting MAK?

Wow! there are other people who saw a Bigfoot crossing the road? Cool, I think I'll hang out here...

 

[makaya325]

Lil' Mak- I really hate responding to you, but the reason there are no Sauropods or Ropen sightings, is that there is no infrastructure in place to record those sightings. BIGFOOT Inc. has sighting-report infrastructure and it's big comparitively.

Dogman Sightings report infrastructure= Gravel Driveway

Bigfoot Sighting report infrastructure= Interstate Highway System

Excuses, excuses.

 

[Spektator]

OTOH, the lion in our neck of the woods continues to make news. It changes color, size, and shape, but people are seeing it all over. The latest sighting was about 50 miles from the one before that, and this time the lion was black with a long tail (it's always been a tawny yellow before this). Still not a shred of physical evidence, and the only cell-phone photo turned out to be a domestic yellow cat.

 

[desertgal]

Excuses, excuses.

We need to stop feeding this troll.

 

[makaya325]

OTOH, the lion in our neck of the woods continues to make news. It changes color, size, and shape, but people are seeing it all over. The latest sighting was about 50 miles from the one before that, and this time the lion was black with a long tail (it's always been a tawny yellow before this). Still not a shred of physical evidence, and the only cell-phone photo turned out to be a domestic yellow cat.

First of all, people are basically TOLD to report anything resembling a Lion. It could have been based on a real lion that escaped, yet no longer exists.

 

[makaya325]

We need to stop feeding this troll.

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Why is that? Because Drew's explanation for people seeing different cryptids in different kinds of environments is flawed?

 

[desertgal]

Why is that? Because Drew's explanation for people seeing different cryptids in different kinds of environments is flawed?

Nope.

 

[makaya325]

Nope.

Is it because I am bickering on and on?

 

[RayG]

No, it's because you repeatedly jump in to the discussion to present irrelevant or unsubstantiated facts and fallacious arguments, disrupting the flow of the thread.

RayG

 

[makaya325]

So their is no room for opinion on the JREF at all?