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Shutdown 2023

If Gaetz tries and fails to challenge McCarthy maybe McCarthy will get the courage to put a budget to a vote without GOP poison pills in a month and a half.
 
The Don said:
I'll believe it when I see it.

AIUI thr GOP House majority is wafer thin. They cannot afford to alienate anyone, even a loony like Gaetz. Better to have him inside the party micturating outwards.
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They could censor him.
 
Hercules56 said:
Marx was also a rabid anti-Semite, so I take a lot of his theories with a big grain of salt.
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You do know that both of Marx's parents were jews who converted christian only shortly before he was born, to get around restrictions then in place on jewspractising cretain prelofessions in Germany. There is nothing in his writing to suggest that Marx was anti-semitic.

I suggest you start learning some real history and not the right wing bs you've been spoonfed.
 
always telling when the same person is accused of being an anti-semite and the head of a global Jewish conspiracy.
 
The Don said:
I'll believe it when I see it.



AIUI thr GOP House majority is wafer thin. They cannot afford to alienate anyone, even a loony like Gaetz. Better to have him inside the party micturating outwards.
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That saying doesn't work when the person is inside the tent and peeing inside the tent.
 
The MAGA faithful are true fanatics. They have to be to be true MAGA Trump devotees. Reason and logic mean nothing to them. The irony is I can guarantee Trump doesn't really about the budget deficit. Debt has never concerned him. The faithful think he cares.
 
acbytesla said:
Sounds like Neville Chamberlain.

Ukraine is doing a lot for the US and the West right now. They are containing fascism.

They are testing US weapon systems on the battlefield as opposed to simulation.

They have brought the West together and strengthened NATO.

I believe it is essential to support Ukraine. Not for them, but for us.
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Even just by staying in the fight Ukraine havedone a massive favour for NATO, they've set Russia's military back a generation and shown to those with the brains to see that it's a paper tiger.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
You do know that both of Marx's parents were jews who converted christian only shortly before he was born, to get around restrictions then in place on jews practising certain professions in Germany. There is nothing in his writing to suggest that Marx was anti-semitic.

I suggest you start learning some real history and not the right wing bs you've been spoonfed.
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Highlighted bit a correction of my original post's bad spelling. Boy, I was really dippy earlier.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
You do know that both of Marx's parents were jews who converted christian only shortly before he was born, to get around restrictions then in place on jewspractising cretain prelofessions in Germany. There is nothing in his writing to suggest that Marx was anti-semitic.

I suggest you start learning some real history and not the right wing bs you've been spoonfed.
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I guess you never read "On the Jewish Question" by Marx. It's conclusion is definitely anti-Semitic.

And I quote:

"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew – not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money[...] An organization of society which would abolish the preconditions for huckstering, and therefore the possibility of huckstering, would make the Jew impossible[...] The Jew has emancipated himself in a Jewish manner, not only because he has acquired financial power, but also because, through him and also apart from him, money has become a world power and the practical Jewish spirit has become the practical spirit of the Christian nations. The Jews have emancipated themselves insofar as the Christians have become Jews[...] Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities[...] The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange[...] The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general."


And finally

"Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism – huckstering and its preconditions – the Jew will have become impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, and because the conflict between man’s individual-sensuous existence and his species-existence has been abolished.

The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism."
 
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I don't know why the Left continues to cite Karl Marx,given what a falure Marxsim has been.
 
dudalb said:
I don't know why the Left continues to cite Karl Marx,given what a falure Marxsim has been.
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Have you actually read Marx? He said and wrote many prescient truths. You don't have to think communism is the best economic system to acknowledge Marx was a great thinker. He penned one of the greatest compliments to capitalism ever.

Nietzche and Machievelli were authors of some of the worst philosophical ideas ever, but they also contributed greatly to society.
 
dudalb said:
And Gaetz pulls the trigger to remove CmCarthy.
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And the backfiring commences. Whoops! :sdl:

House Republicans Finally Realize That Matt Gaetz Is a Raging Jerk
House Republicans are planning a motion to expel Matt Gaetz from the chamber, even as he continues to threaten to expel Kevin McCarthy from the speakership.

The House GOP will move to expel Gaetz if the Ethics Committee finds him guilty, Fox News reported Sunday. Earlier this year, committee investigators reopened a probe into the Florida Republican for allegations of sexual misconduct, illegal drug use, and other wrongdoings.
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Glass houses and stone throwing comes immediately to mind.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
If you haven't seen one before you've been spared the debacle the GOP has become.
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What makes this amusing in a way is that for a long time it was the Democrats who had the rep ..well deserved...of shooting itself in the foot through infighting.
Things have changed.

You can change "Democrat" to "Republican" in Will Rogers famous
I don't Belong to an organized political party. I am a Democrat. quip.
 
Matt Gaetz is threatening to call a vote against McCarthy everyday until he is removed.

If he actually goes through with this he will probably see himself being removed instead.

The question now is how stupid is he?


They also need to get rid of this insane rule that they installed last year. Should require at least 50 people to sign on to a call to have a vote on no confidence in the Speaker. Or at least 50% of the number of votes required to remove.
 
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