Should sanctuary cities be tolerated?

Hercules56 said:
There is ZERO evidence of large numbers of people with current Green Cards or Visas being round up.

Its a myth in your head.
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How large is large enough? Are you saying that the cancellation of student visas is fake news?

As for your accusation of anarchism, get a grip. If you count people as a group, and do not distinguish between them, you are dehumanizing them. That's simply the case, whether or not it's right. If you say all murderers should be imprisoned, you are, essentially dehumanizing them by discounting their excuses and what they might claim as their other virtues. That's a good thing at times, but it's a thing. It has nothing to do with whatever strange ideas you might have about anarchy or one world. Sometimes you have to treat people without regard to their individuality or their character outside the group they are in, or the things they have done. Sometimes you need to say "I don't care." When and where that line is drawn is a matter for other argument, but you can't just pretend that if it's right you're not doing it.
 
Hercules56 said:
We can hire cheap labor through foreign worker programs like other nations do. Or we can pay legal residents of the USA fair wages.

But you seem to prefer to pay illegals ◊◊◊◊ wages so you can get cheaper tomatoes.


:rolleyes: Ignorant, dishonest strawman. Do you have anything better?
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There are many things we can do, but right now, right here, we are not doing them. What ought to be the case is a good thing to think about but it is of little help in deciding how to act today with regard to what is happening today.
 
Sanctuary cities are kind of ironic:
  1. Don't help out with immigration enforcement.
  2. More work for the feds.
  3. More illegal immigrants coming to your city.
  4. More feds coming to your city to handle the additional work you're leaving for them.
  5. Even more feds coming to your city because, as Willie Sutton might have said, "that's where the illegals are".
  6. Many progressive idiot tears are shed over all the feds that are in your city.
I mean, I get not wanting to participate in ICE holds and whatnot. I can respect that as a principled position to take. What I can't respect is the unprincipled wailing and gnashing of teeth when the obvious consequences come to pass in due time. You don't want to do the feds' job? Fine. You want the feds to also not come and do the job themselves? Boop to that.
 
Hercules56 said:
I take it you have no idea.
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Well, googling "how many student visas cancelled" yields, from various sources, numbers anywhere from 1,000 to 1,700. The 1,700 is from al Jazeera & I'd normally hesitate to trust it, but a finger or two of scrolling brought me to an estimate of 1,500 student visas restored by Trump's regime because of all the lawsuits that have been brought.

I can't get the knack of posting links (sorry, but I'm old 'n thick-thumbed) so maybe somebody else can do a deeper dig.

The roundness of the numbers suggests that they're rather fluid.
But damfino.
 
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Hercules56 said:
I take it you have no idea.
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You're the one who keeps bringing up numbers here. Presumably this means you have an idea of what numbers are acceptable, and, one hopes, an idea of how one might keep those numbers at an acceptable level. Why don't you tell us your thoughts?

I've read that something around 1800 student visas were revoked, though revocations may have been reversed. In the big picture, since there are millions of student visas, is that an acceptable number? Does it make a difference why they are revoked? Does it make a difference whether they are revoked for real offenses against the common good or for unpopular political opinions or for petty vengeance against the institutions they attend? Does it make a difference whether the threat of revocation, which has been realized in at least some cases, influences the freedom of expression of everyone?

You're the one who continues to claim that the issue is mathematically insignificant, so why don't you start by telling us where your line might be drawn?
 
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