Should Janet Napolitino step down ?

[tomwaits]

maybe he meant "broader"?

 

[Cicero]

Are you saying there are no sociopaths in congress?

I know there are fewer now since trhe last election and the redistricting in Texas that left the Bug Man with no seat, but, come on. There are still a hundred or so neoclown Republicans left.



Care to quote the stratement I may that brought you to that conclusion? I don't recall making such a statement.

Which Dems do you consider "sociopaths?"

 

[leftysergeant]

Which Dems do you consider "sociopaths?"

I haven't noticed any.

We do, however, have a boatload of Republican sociopaths.

Just Michelle Bachman is a large enough consignment of sick harpy to supply a couple of legislative bodies.

 

[Cicero]

Cicero, your consistent misspelling of border as "boarder," is that intentional?

Wow! I hope I didn't post waterborder in the "Waterboarding Rocks!" thread.

 

[Cicero]

I haven't noticed any.

We do, however, have a boatload of Republican sociopaths.

Just Michelle Bachman is a large enough consignment of sick harpy to supply a couple of legislative bodies.

But the fact that you are invincibly ignorant about the shortcomings of politicians that share your ideology shows a definite lack of consciousness if not conscience.

 

[leftysergeant]

But the fact that you are invincibly ignorant about the shortcomings of politicians that share your ideology shows a definite lack of consciousness if not conscience.

No. My not being a sociopath is why I am a Democrat.

No way am I going to throw in with a party so nurturing of sociopaths, dimbulbs, whiney babies, wimps and jingoists.

Have to go a long way to beat Newt for sleaziness in horndoggery.

 

[Cicero]

No. My not being a sociopath is why I am a Democrat.

No way am I going to throw in with a party so nurturing of sociopaths, dimbulbs, whiney babies, wimps and jingoists.

Have to go a long way to beat Newt for sleaziness in horndoggery.

Did you get a note from your therapist saying you were cured of any sociopathy? Please scan and post. I want to see if it was signed by the DNC's Dizzy Dean.

 

[davefoc]

Well excuse me for not knowing everything and attempting to figure it out.

h.g. (may I call you that),
My comment was not directed at you unless you're one of the Republican media sycophants who are running around making up bs issues like this for their own partisan purposes.

Asking the question was reasonable enough, I hadn't followed the issue before I saw this thread and I was wondering what the noise was about. So I didn't mean to criticize anyone for asking the same question that I was wondering about. That might have been a tad hypocritical.

 

[h.g.Whiz]

h.g. (may I call you that),
My comment was not directed at you unless you're one of the Republican media sycophants who are running around making up bs issues like this for their own partisan purposes.

Asking the question was reasonable enough, I hadn't followed the issue before I saw this thread and I was wondering what the noise was about. So I didn't mean to criticize anyone for asking the same question that I was wondering about. That might have been a tad hypocritical.

h.g. is fine with me and I am not a Republican, I'm just a bricklayer trying to make sense of the media , and I thank you for the polite response.

 

[leftysergeant]

Did you get a note from your therapist saying you were cured of any sociopathy? Please scan and post. I want to see if it was signed by the DNC's Dizzy Dean.

No. I was never diagnosed with any sort of sociopathic personality disorder. Mild situational dysthemia on occassion, but that was attributed later to an actual plot by a criminal element to get rid of me. Turns out that two of the people testifying against me at my court martial got reduced in grade and one denied the opportunity to re-enlist, thus to retire at the end.

Who wouldn't be a bit dysthemic?

Anyway, the state still renews my CPL without further question and the Army was cool with my packing a weapon, so, Meh.

 

[daredelvis]

Should reading comprehension be a prequalification for posting on an internet forum?

Daredelvis

 

[pipelineaudio]

Why Obama appointed a person to DHSS who was derelict about boarder security in her own state is baffling. In 2008, Napolitano signed an executive order stripping Maricopa County Sheriffs Department of $1.6 million for illegal immigration enforcement.

Color us Arizonans amazed as hell. This is like appointing michael jackson as the head of daycare

 

[pipelineaudio]

lefty seargent, do you fail to understand why she is called Janet-Come-Lately?

Hint: Bill Richardson

 

[leftysergeant]

All I have noticed is a bunch of whiney Republicans who think that Sheriff Joe is hot stuff and Napolitano is a dud.

Like I care what a Republican thinks of anyone else's performance in office?

 

[applecorped]

Yeah, that's why you can't help but comment on them day after day!!!

 

[Euromutt]

Not surprising you would object to the messenger and not acknowledge that the message is factual. The quotes are from Napolitano and are in the public record. Her veto record as governor is in the public record.

As the old saw goes, propaganda is information disseminated for the purpose of influencing opinion; it doesn't necessarily have to be untrue. Indeed, the best propaganda is that which is verifiably true, but doesn't give you the whole story.

After opposing initiatives that would ensure a legal work force, Napolitano suggested we “institute tamper-proof immigration documents to quell the fraudulent ID markets.” But when Congress passed the REAL ID Act -- creating a uniform standard for identification cards to help with the detection of fraudulent documents -- Napolitano refused to allow Arizona to comply with the law.

Twenty-one state governments refused to comply with the "Real ID" Act because it had some serious flaws. First, it was an unfunded mandate: the state governments were going to have to pay for its implementation. Second, it would have created a national database of driver's licenses, accessible to all state governments and federal facilities everywhere; a security lapse in any one of those facilities would make it possible for an identity thief to steal from a single location ID data of people living all over the country. The list goes on.

Most salient to this quote, however, is the fact that "Real ID" did not pertain to immigration documents; it was about state-issued driver's licenses and IDs. There is therefore nothing inconsistent about Napolitano's position.

Opposing the fence because some illegal immigrants may find a way around it is like telling a family not to lock their door at night because burglars can always break in through a window.

Actually, it's more like telling a family that there's no point in investing a massive amount of money in installing a reinforced door when there's no wall on either side of it. The fence was never going to cover more than a quarter of the entire length of the border, leaving the remaining three quarters wide open.

According to the Border Patrol, illegal crossings in Yuma, Ariz., and Santa Teresa, N. M., have decreased by over 70 percent as result of the fence. And in San Diego, the Border Patrol reports a 95 percent decrease in illegal immigrant apprehensions.

Of course, if illegal crossings in adjacent sectors with no fence increased by a similar amount, the fence would have achieved very little for a massive expenditure.

In a 2007 press conference, Napolitano criticized worksite enforcement efforts, calling them “unfair.” But when given the opportunity to provide employers with the tools they need to secure a legal workforce, she opposed mandating the program.

Again, the Legal Arizona Workers Act" contained a number of major flaws. First, it made it mandatory for employers to use the Basic Pilot program (later renamed "E-Verify") despite the fact that this program was known to be far from perfect (most notably, the databases used were known to not list every immigrant who had been legally issued a work permit), and Congress had therefore made use of this tool voluntary. Second, the Act opened the way for employers to refuse to hire anyone they could claim to suspect (reasonably or not) of being an illegal immigrant, e.g. anybody Hispanic. Third, there's that pesky detail that immigration enforcement is not the states' job.

Actually, if anything, that rundown gives me more confidence in Napolitano's capabilities as secretary of Homeland Security; evidently she doesn't believe in expensive boondoggles with little demonstrable benefit and massive potential for abuse. Quite a welcome change from the last lot.

 

[Cicero]

As the old saw goes, propaganda is information disseminated for the purpose of influencing opinion; it doesn't necessarily have to be untrue. Indeed, the best propaganda is that which is verifiably true, but doesn't give you the whole story.
Twenty-one state governments refused to comply with the "Real ID" Act because it had some serious flaws. First, it was an unfunded mandate: the state governments were going to have to pay for its implementation. Second, it would have created a national database of driver's licenses, accessible to all state governments and federal facilities everywhere; a security lapse in any one of those facilities would make it possible for an identity thief to steal from a single location ID data of people living all over the country. The list goes on.

Most salient to this quote, however, is the fact that "Real ID" did not pertain to immigration documents; it was about state-issued driver's licenses and IDs. There is therefore nothing inconsistent about Napolitano's position.
Actually, it's more like telling a family that there's no point in investing a massive amount of money in installing a reinforced door when there's no wall on either side of it. The fence was never going to cover more than a quarter of the entire length of the border, leaving the remaining three quarters wide open.Of course, if illegal crossings in adjacent sectors with no fence increased by a similar amount, the fence would have achieved very little for a massive expenditure.Again, the Legal Arizona Workers Act" contained a number of major flaws. First, it made it mandatory for employers to use the Basic Pilot program (later renamed "E-Verify") despite the fact that this program was known to be far from perfect (most notably, the databases used were known to not list every immigrant who had been legally issued a work permit), and Congress had therefore made use of this tool voluntary. Second, the Act opened the way for employers to refuse to hire anyone they could claim to suspect (reasonably or not) of being an illegal immigrant, e.g. anybody Hispanic. Third, there's that pesky detail that immigration enforcement is not the states' job.

Actually, if anything, that rundown gives me more confidence in Napolitano's capabilities as secretary of Homeland Security; evidently she doesn't believe in expensive boondoggles with little demonstrable benefit and massive potential for abuse. Quite a welcome change from the last lot.

So in your estimation the perfect DHSS is one who eschews taking the offensive in boarder security while favoring capitulation.

Expensive boondoggles? Denying the Maricopa Sheriffs Office $1.2 million for immigration enforcement is a waste of time? Napolitano doesn't believe in any course of action that will impede illegal crossings or assist in the apprehension of illegal aliens.

The last lot being Bush 43? Since when did he or his minions believe in securing the boarders?

Like your hero Napolitano, you have shot down every possible method to curtail illegal immigration while providing zero alternative solutions. Is that because you favor the so-called "comprehensive immigration reform?"

 

[leftysergeant]

So in your estimation the perfect DHSS is one who eschews taking the offensive in boarder security while favoring capitulation.

Expensive boondoggles? Denying the Maricopa Sheriffs Office $1.2 million for immigration enforcement is a waste of time?

Joe is a waste of skin and has no more clue what too do with the money than Rummy had with his budget.

Like your hero Napolitano, you have shot down every possible method to curtail illegal immigration while providing zero alternative solutions. Is that because you favor the so-called "comprehensive immigration reform?"

Denying a jerk like Arpio control of money is not that bad an idea. He's a bit on the corupt side.

 

[kallsop]

So much for this administration "hitting the ground running". So she is not going to enforce the borders, doesn't know that crossing the border is a crime, and doesn't know that none of the 9/11 terrorists didn't cross the US-Canadian border. I don't know how she got the job, it's not like she's a big tax cheat or anything.

Hope and Change, when does it start?

 

[pipelineaudio]

Joe is a waste of skin and has no more clue what too do with the money than Rummy had with his budget.

Denying a jerk like Arpio control of money is not that bad an idea. He's a bit on the corupt side.

We felt strongly enough against Arpaio that we made this anti-joe commercial with our own money

http://vimeo.com/2052748?pg=embed&sec=2052748

However, that doesnt change the fact that the racist crap Janet Come Lately was trying to pull against Sherrif Joe, like special immunity from prosecution for illegal hispanics was anything less than reprehensible

Politics make strange bedfellows. Just because Janet doesnt like Joe doesnt mean she's right.