Should Janet Napolitino step down ?

[leftysergeant]

Arpaio is accused of many things, but nobody has ever accused him of not using his resources to stem the tide of illegal immigration.

What are the possibilities that the little sociopath is using those resources ina way that abuses the rights of people who look like, but are not, illegal immigrants?

Sheriff joe is not the most fastidious defender of constitutional rights of the accused or the presumption of innoscense, you know.

If Chertoff had said the 9/11 terrorists came across the Canadian boarder you would be singing a different tune.[/QUOTE]

Maybe Napolitano was thinking of the big arrest of a major terrorist coming across the Canadian border back when law enforcement and national security intelligence gathering still worked because we had people fit for their
jobs doing them.

 

[rwguinn]

If by "condescending, holier-than-thou" you mean that I don't think it makes sense for the DHS to edit its memos to avoid offending people, and if by "Daddy" you mean the DHS, and if by "knows best" you mean knows best how to do its job without having to worry about offending people, then yes, I guess I have a "condescending, holier-than-thou, Daddy-knows-best attitude." Whatever.



I wasn't saying it hurt your itty-bitty feewings. You don't appear, as far as I can tell, to be among the people who were butthurt by the true statements in the report. (Which makes me confused as to why you think Napolitano should step down, but that's a tangent.) I was talking about the itty-bitty feewings of the people who were butthurt by the true statements in the report. I wasn't trying to condescend to you - I was trying to condescend to them. Because there's a time when condescension is appropriate, and that time is when people are acting like whiny babies for no good reason, and getting in the way of grown-ups who have a job to do. I don't mean you.


ETA: I don't disagree much with what you were saying about why people object to it. I just disagree with the people who object to it.

Just pointing out the flip-flop and double standards. Let's modify it a bit

U) Disgruntled Islamics
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize Followers of Islam in order to exploit their willingness to convert persons to their Religion. The indoctrination by Islamic religous figures have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage Islamic followers to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of culture differences is being replicated today. —

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And watch the howls from the Liberals and Democrats...

 

[leftysergeant]

Just pointing out the flip-flop and double standards. Let's modify it a bit

And watch the howls from the Liberals and Democrats...

Typical reaction of liberals would probably be more along the lines of "Well, big freakin' DUH!"

That is a given, but emphasising thjat you are talking about moooslims just makles it sound more scarey and yeah, like naturally THOSE people need to be kept on a short leash.

We do, however, think that those who think that disgruntled veterans are not a prize catch for white nationalist terrorist groups live in another mental space where no light ever shines.

I'm a retired Army NCO and i do not want to just let National Vanguard meet departing veterans at the gate ready to tap the knowledge that they gained in guerrilla tactics.

 

[Cicero]

What are the possibilities that the little sociopath is using those resources ina way that abuses the rights of people who look like, but are not, illegal immigrants?

Sheriff joe is not the most fastidious defender of constitutional rights of the accused or the presumption of innoscense, you know.

If Chertoff had said the 9/11 terrorists came across the Canadian boarder you would be singing a different tune.

Sociopath? Arpaio doesn't have a conscience? Since when? Look who is accusing him of violating the civil rights of illegal aliens, the same people that share your pc view of boarder enforcement.

"The Department of Justice (DOJ) has launched an investigation of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office in Arizona following requests by congressional Democrats and allegations by liberal activists that the department has violated the civil rights of illegal aliens."

When the DOJ doesn't come up with anything, do you think the Dems and lib activists will apologize to Joe? Since Ole Napolitano didn't get along with Joe, I wonder if she isn't doing everything she can from her DHSS position to do to Joe what she couldn't when she was the governor.

You better not use up all your charitable assessments on Napolitano, save some for Biden, Gibbs and Romer. They are gonna need it.

 

[Upchurch]

Just pointing out the flip-flop and double standards. Let's modify it a bit

And watch the howls from the Liberals and Democrats...

Why make one up? Check out the actual report (pdf warning)

How are the Liberals and Democrats howling? More or less than the Conservatives and Republicans?

 

[A'isha]

Just pointing out the flip-flop and double standards. Let's modify it a bit

And watch the howls from the Liberals and Democrats...

Funny, here I thought it was the "Liberals" and "Democrats" who had been insisting all this time that the dangerous extremists were just a "small percentage" of Muslims, as opposed to the many people who lay the actions of these extremists at the feet of Islam as a whole.

 

[leftysergeant]

Sociopath? Arpaio doesn't have a conscience? Since when? Look who is accusing him of violating the civil rights of illegal aliens, the same people that share your pc view of boarder enforcement.

I have never stated my position on what i thonk should be done about boarder security, other than that it would not involve encouraging poorly-trained rednecks with guns to take up their own boarder patrols.

"The Department of Justice (DOJ) has launched an investigation of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office in Arizona following requests by congressional Democrats and allegations by liberal activists that the department has violated the civil rights of illegal aliens."

When the DOJ doesn't come up with anything, do you think the Dems and lib activists will apologize to Joe?

Sociopaths with an official position are good at making evidence go away, so the best knuckle-dragging Joe could hope for is just not to go to jail. No one owes a sociopath an apology if we keep a closer eye on him than we do other people, as long as we do not actually punish him for an unproved crime.

 

[linusrichard]

Just pointing out the flip-flop and double standards. Let's modify it a bit

Hey, why invent one - let's use a real one.

And watch the howls from the Liberals and Democrats...

Do you remember the "howls" from liberals and Democrats when The Senate Committee on Homeland Security released a report entitled "Violent Islamist Extremism, the Internet, and the Homegrown Terrorist Threat"? Do you remember those "howls" decrying the report, which described

how violent Islamist terrorist groups like al-Qaeda are using the Internet to enlist followers into the global violent Islamist terrorist movement and to increase support for the movement, ranging from ideological support, to fundraising, and ultimately to planning and executing terrorist attacks... the increasing number of homegrown incidents and the judgments of the intelligence and law enforcement communities that there will likely be additional homegrown threats in the future... the four-step radicalization process through which an individual can be enticed to adopt a violent Islamist extremist mindset and act on the ideology’s call to violence... the disturbingly broad array of materials available on the Internet that promote the violent Islamist extremist ideology... not haphazard, but is part of a comprehensive, tightly controlled messaging campaign by al-Qaeda and like-minded extremists designed to spread their violent message... how these materials facilitate and encourage the radicalization process.

Do you remember those "howls"? Because I sure don't. I google a little and find a very few sites talking about it, and only a couple of nobody bloggers criticizing it. And sure, those nobody bloggers are probably liberals, and maybe Democrats. So go ahead and talk to them about the "flip-flop and double standards," because otherwise I think you're making it up.

 

[hgc]

... She should clarify this report for those who are confused (and I believe she has attempted to do so). ...

Useless exercise. The confusion is willful and purposeful.

 

[applecorped]

Should Janet Napolitino step down ?


Why? Is she standing on a stool?

 

[fuelair]

Just pointing out the flip-flop and double standards. Let's modify it a bit

And watch the howls from the Liberals and Democrats...

I am a liberal and a Democrat and I would not howl at it. It is true of some, simply not true of most, Islamists in the US. Once again, a huge majority of the world's people of all colors, religions, sexes, etc. just want to live their live in reasonable safety with reasonable happiness and have enough money /goods to enjoy life not drag through it or slave through it.

 

[fuelair]

Should Janet Napolitino step down ?


Why? Is she standing on a stool?

No, she's trying not to step in one.

 

[fuelair]

Oooooooorrrr:
She's trying not to get burgess all over her shoes.

 

[firecoins]

She can always sneak across the Canadian border.

 

[h.g.Whiz]

General procedure here for an OP is to express an opinion yourself. What do you think, Whiz? Why?

I listen to talk radio which tends to have opinion thats bit extreme so I try to put it in check by posting what I hear, here in the JREF. For some reason I was getting the impression she might consider little guppies like me to be a terroristic threat due to my history of Obama bashing. It may sound silly but I have been kinda worried about that since Obama got elected. If I am overeacting and that is not the case then I don't think she should step down.

 

[Smackety]

So...now the right is attacking Napolitano for NOT wasting money on useless projects that do nothing to slow immigration or improve security? hypocrite much?

 

[Darth Rotor]

No, Janet need not step down.

I expressd that very same fear two years ago on these forums. I had two vets PM me with a concern that I thought all vets were at risk, themselves being vets, as am I.

Not then, not now, but not all vets are alike.

I pointed out that McVeigh was a vet.' Korey Rowe is a vet.

With a million people having been in and around Iraq over the past X years, even a miniscule percentage, like .01 or .001 per cent, when one does the sums, gives a possible few dozen angry young/old/feeling backstabbed vets with a possible mind to do a McVeigh.

Hopefully it won't turn out that way, but the probabilty > 0, even if it is very small and 99.999 percent of our vets are in no way susceptible to such feelings, or acting on them if they now and again have a desire to set fire to some great public building, or see the politicians all strung up over a slow roasting fire ... what?

Why are you eyeing all possible exits?

DR

 

[h.g.Whiz]

No, Janet need not step down.

I expressd that very same fear two years ago on these forums. I had two vets PM me with a concern that I thought all vets were at risk, themselves being vets, as am I.

Not then, not now, but not all vets are alike.

I pointed out that McVeigh was a vet.' Korey Rowe is a vet.

With a million people having been in and around Iraq over the past X years, even a miniscule percentage, like .01 or .001 per cent, when one does the sums, gives a possible few dozen angry young/old/feeling backstabbed vets with a possible mind to do a McVeigh.

Hopefully it won't turn out that way, but the probabilty > 0, even if it is very small and 99.999 percent of our vets are in no way susceptible to such feelings, or acting on them if they now and again have a desire to set fire to some great public building, or see the politicians all strung up over a slow roasting fire ... what?

Why are you eyeing all possible exits?

DR

What do you mean by ""eyeing all possible exits"?

 

[Darth Rotor]

What do you mean by ""eyeing all possible exits"?

It is a line I stole from "Bored of the Rings." It is a reference to when a person feels self in the company of a dangerous situation, or person, and starts eyeing the possible exits from the room as a means of escape from dangerous situation/person.

It was a joke, ya see ... No, they can't all be gems.

DR

 

[h.g.Whiz]

It is a line I stole from "Bored of the Rings." It is a reference to when a person feels self in the company of a dangerous situation, or person, and starts eyeing the possible exits from the room as a means of escape from dangerous situation/person.

It was a joke, ya see ... No, they can't all be gems.

DR

lol