Should Homeopathy be illegal?

[Guest]

I am not now asking for the article. I am pointing out to Ma'at that his paragraph makes little sense. I parsed the statement apart and showed that there were three claims, either made in the article or made by Ma'at, or both. They are:

I then responded to these three claims:

And I still await answers.

Cheers,

Ma'at is female billy

 

[Guest]

Ma'at is female billy

Thank you for the correction.

Cheers,

 

[RichardR]

Why should Ma'at it was a passing comment if its in the news and it remeinded her of somethig we were harping on about whats the problem and why withdraw it she made it clear what is was etc.

I don’t need proof that the sky was blue and not green. “The sky is blue” is not an extraordinary claim. (Well, maybe it is in England in the winter, but you know what I mean. )

The difference is that Ma’at’s claim was an extraordinary claim. Such a claim requires proof. Otherwise we could all make claims. I’ll make one. Homeopathic medicines make the illnesses worse for 50% of people taking them. And 5% results in death. There – that’s worse than your claim for modern medicines, so I win.

Do you now see how ridiculous that line of debate is? Why we must provide proof for our extraordinary claims, if we are to be taken seriously?

 

[RichardR]

As for like cures like its one of the principles that define homeopathy. Thats what I put up I had that part saved asI was curious about that principle. I posted what I had go read about homeopathy and its principles dont ask me to define what they follow I am not a homeopath.

psychopath maybe LMAO

We know that is one of the principles of homeopathy. And it is wrong.

 

[xouper]

Homeopathic medicines make the illnesses worse for 50% of people taking them. And 5% results in death. There – that’s worse than your claim for modern medicines, so I win.

And you've won on more than one level.

 

[Lucianarchy]

Given the results of the Horizon tests, should it now be illegal to advertise the benefits of Homeopathic cures?

As Horizon didn't disprove homeopathy, then the point is moot.
Horizon actually provided more positive than negative evidence.

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Should Homeopathy be illegal?

As Horizon didn't disprove homeopathy, then the point is moot.
Horizon actually provided more positive than negative evidence.

Y'know, science can't disprove I have a pink unicorn in my garage, either. That must mean something!

Far more laughable, though, is your second sentence. What positive evidence did it provide?

Cheers,

 

[xouper]

Re: Re: Should Homeopathy be illegal?

Horizon actually provided more positive than negative evidence.

And you call yourself a skeptic. Shame on you.

 

[synaesthesia]

Banning Homeopathy would only draw the conspiracy theorists out of the woodwork.

I think the best way to deal with it is to legislate that it must be tested. When it is tested (of course disproving it's claims), the lables of all legal homeopathic products must state "This substance is pure water. It is ineffective as a therapy for anything but a dry mouth."

 

[headscratcher4]

The best way to solve the problem is to make sure that those who use homeopathic remedies don't get to go to mainstream healthcare professionals. If they choose homeopathy they are stuck with it....I suspect that would take care of the problem pretty quickly....at least with respect to every illness above cold and flu...

 

[Guest]

We know that is one of the principles of homeopathy. And it is wrong.

Didnt say it was right you presumed toomuch about what I was saying.

Whatever I say you'll trash regardless of which side of the fence I sit on, your too closed minded to try and discuss anything with.

I'm too chaotic for you to keep up with or fathom out.

 

[Guest]

The best way to solve the problem is to make sure that those who use homeopathic remedies don't get to go to mainstream healthcare professionals. If they choose homeopathy they are stuck with it....I suspect that would take care of the problem pretty quickly....at least with respect to every illness above cold and flu...

Headscratcher arent you playing god?

What if a cancer patient wants to try and allivate chemo sickness by taking homeopathic remedys you going to kick them off chemo?

colds dont need medicines unelss they are flu and are in the at risk bracket or complications set in deal with it go to bed drink fluids and sweat it out. I do or eat chilies it works for me.

 

[Foodbunny]

I'm too chaotic for you to keep up with or fathom out.

The laughter never ends.

 

[Doctor X]

Radiating Sunflower:

I suffer from dyslexic fingers I cant help it my grammers rubbish sorry my command on english is terrible for a english girl sorry, I dont and havent written correctly for years I dont need it in my job, sorry.

Understood, however, I would recommend you take advantage of the Preview option. Thus:

I dont know what they ant they say one thing and then boom it means somthing else, I have only what I gathered for myslef. . . .

makes no sense to me.

I dont understand what you/they want or need, you ask me for things I never said I had, I never said I wrote it myself but flatworm keeps saying I did.

I think a single example of an experiment published in the peer-reviewed literature that demonstrates the efficacy of homeopathy. The one published in Nature was published to demonstrate its flaws. I do not agree with that--now proponents can cite "a Nature article" without referencing the rest.

I cant give you things if you just contradict and say I said something else can I, you cant expect me to and I wont.

Of course, if I cannot understand what you write I may very well reply to something other than what you intend. Also, I cannot contradict anyone effectively if they are correct.

I never wrote anything nor have I scientific data . . . you wont understand what it feels like to be dumped by modern medincine practisioners to get on with our wrecked lives and then find people like the skeptics trashing something that could help does help even if its placebo effect only, that playing god.

I will not subject you to dissecting the fallacies in that because I believe you are sincere. Nevertheless, as a basis of debate to establish a practice that others should follow, it fails miserably.

I would hope that before you do anything that impacts on your health, you would do some research. This applies to evidence based medicine as well as quackery.

--J.D.

 

[Guest]

Radiating Sunflower:



Understood, however, I would recommend you take advantage of the Preview option. Thus:



makes no sense to me.



I think a single example of an experiment published in the peer-reviewed literature that demonstrates the efficacy of homeopathy. The one published in Nature was published to demonstrate its flaws. I do not agree with that--now proponents can cite "a Nature article" without referencing the rest.



Of course, if I cannot understand what you write I may very well reply to something other than what you intend. Also, I cannot contradict anyone effectively if they are correct.



I will not subject you to dissecting the fallacies in that because I believe you are sincere. Nevertheless, as a basis of debate to establish a practice that others should follow, it fails miserably.

I would hope that before you do anything that impacts on your health, you would do some research. This applies to evidence based medicine as well as quackery.

--J.D.

Doctor X I did research before I took the homeopathic remedies for something I wont say publically, but what I found and I found there was alot on the subject contradictory and good back ups, pointed me to a remedy that appeared would help me out.

After reading all about it I took the plunge and it did indeed help when I needed it the most and that suited me just fine. I dont take it now I have evolved again above its help.

All the research I had I stored and re-read several times before I took a futher step and consulted my then caring doctor befor I went ahead.

What I didnt do was write who or where it came from, that didnt seem important to me at the time I wanted help and I couldnt take modern medicines any more without it killing me. Can you understand that?

I am not agreeing homeopathy is great what I am saying or trying to is you cant play god with peoples lives. If they think placebo effect or not it helps them how can anybody tell them sorry no you can go suffer its a nothing remedy? Does that make anything clearer?

It's ok doc go for it, you made more sense to me than others have.

I do preview thats when I make more mistakes.

 

[Guest]

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I dont know what they ant they say one thing and then boom it means somthing else, I have only what I gathered for myslef
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I dont know what they actually want or need, they say one thing and then "boom" then they say they want something else.
All I have is only what I gathered personally for myself which I didnt make notes of who or where it came from, this I have said all along.

clearer?

 

[RichardR]

Didnt say it was right you presumed toomuch about what I was saying.

You quotes huge tracts of pro homeopathic verbiage saying that like cures like. You also said, and I quote verbatim:

”you treat same with same that cures the whole"

Exactly what was it that I was supposed to "presume"?

Your meaning was clear. But I'm glad you realize you could be wrong. Like doesn't cure like.

Whatever I say you'll trash regardless of which side of the fence I sit on,

Please stop playing the victim.

your too closed minded to try and discuss anything with.

You are the one who refused to even consider that "like cures like" might be wrong, and you accuse me of being closed minded? Do you know these two guys:

I'm too chaotic for you to keep up with or fathom out.

To fathom, I agree.

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Re: Should Homeopathy be illegal?

Lucianarchy,

I repeat my earlier question:

What positive evidence did the Horizon tests provide?

Cheers,

 

[Andalyn]

Headscratcher arent you playing god?

What if a cancer patient wants to try and allivate chemo sickness by taking homeopathic remedys you going to kick them off chemo?

colds dont need medicines unelss they are flu and are in the at risk bracket or complications set in deal with it go to bed drink fluids and sweat it out. I do or eat chilies it works for me.

Because it's water. Or snake oil. Whatever. That is why it should be illegal. It should be illegal for someone to make a claim about a product (that is completely untrue) and then sell this product to people - based on that claim.

You want to sell something, and make a claim that it will actually do something - fine. Show me that it does what you claim it does, or that is fraud. Homeophathic "medicines" are WATER. PERIOD.

You seem like a nice girl RS. Do you think it would be okay if I took advantage of someone when they were sick? When they were desperate? Took their money on false promises? Do you think that is okay?

The product makes a claim. It is unable to show any evidence that it actuall does what is advertised. RS, it's fraud and it's wrong.

 

[Guest]

You quotes huge tracts of pro homeopathic verbiage saying that like cures like. You also said, and I quote verbatim:

”you treat same with same that cures the whole"

Exactly what was it that I was supposed to "presume"?

Your meaning was clear. But I'm glad you realize you could be wrong. Like doesn't cure like.

Please stop playing the victim.

You are the one who refused to even consider that "like cures like" might be wrong, and you accuse me of being closed minded? Do you know these two guys:

To fathom, I agree.

Told you

Once again off you go again telling me what I think, wrong train of thought, you have never asked me what I think you just tell me what I think or mean.

Yes I recognise the guys one is you and the other is?

I'm female not a guy