Shoe Thrown at Hillary Clinton

I for one am not surprised at the general dissatisfaction directed at Hillary Clinton and the party in power.

I hasten to add that I am opposed to throwing shoes at public speakers, and it was right and proper to arrest and charge the shoe thrower.
 
Bogative said:
Just by running the story about people in Iraq hailing the man who threw the shoes at Bush as a folk hero lends an amount of credence which indicates a bias against Bush.

You seem to agree with this by claiming that even Fox wouldn't stoop to running a story about Americans calling Alison Ernst a folk hero for throwing a shoe at Clinton, someone disliked by conservatives.
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I'm not agreeing. I'm not agreeing at all with the idea Fox News or any other media would refuse to report a sizable groundswell of Americans calling Alison Ernst a folk hero for throwing a shoe at Clinton. I'm saying they didn't report it for another reason: it didn't happen. Is that hard to understand?

Reporting a factual news story -- that Iraqis and the so-called Arab street -- were celebrating the journalist hurling a show at Bush doesn't indicate bias on the part of the media. Unless you think the American media is supposed to "manage" the news. Only show things that promote American pride and good feeling? That's not a free press, that's a government mouthpiece.
 
newyorkguy said:
I'm not agreeing. I'm not agreeing at all with the idea Fox News or any other media would refuse to report a sizable groundswell of Americans calling Alison Ernst a folk hero for throwing a shoe at Clinton. I'm saying they didn't report it for another reason: it didn't happen. Is that hard to understand?

Reporting a factual news story -- that Iraqis and the so-called Arab street -- were celebrating the journalist hurling a show at Bush doesn't indicate bias on the part of the media. Unless you think the American media is supposed to "manage" the news. Only show things that promote American pride and good feeling? That's not a free press, that's a government mouthpiece.
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The media Reality has a liberal bias!
 
How much do you think she can get for her shoe on eBay?

Either the one she threw, or it's mate?
 
The one factor in this that bothers me a bit is, everyone seems to be making light of this -- including Hillary Clinton -- but I wonder how is this woman's story going to end? After throwing a sneaker at Clinton she was arrested, charged with disorderly conduct...and released. In other words, she's out there someplace walking around right now.

This actually made me think of some of the anti-gun control arguments. If we want to prevent violence instead of focusing on things like limiting magazine capacity we should be focusing on intervening with the people who act irrationally.

The last time Alison Ernst acted out she was in Colorado. Last Friday she surfaced in Las Vegas. How does she afford to travel around? Both incidents took place on a weekday. Does she have a job or is she on some kind of income assistance? Is she receiving disability for mental illness?

In Colorado she apparently became infatuated with the mass killer James Holmes. She interrupted his trial with a verbal outburst. Last Friday she interrupted a reception for Hillary Clinton by becoming violent. True she didn't have a gun, but is that going to be next?

Nowadays it is very hard to institutionalize someone against their will. And it should be. Shouldn't there be some halfway measure where society can "flag" an individual who is showing anti-social behavior? Or do we always have to wait until they kill someone? :(
 
Bogative said:
Just by running the story about people in Iraq hailing the man who threw the shoes at Bush as a folk hero lends an amount of credence which indicates a bias against Bush.
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Reality does indeed have a well-known liberal bias. So reporting the news is automatically biased against Bush I guess.
newyorkguy said:
Reporting a factual news story -- that Iraqis and the so-called Arab street -- were celebrating the journalist hurling a show at Bush doesn't indicate bias on the part of the media.
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Let's not limit this to the arab world. I'm pretty sure the whole globe cheered when that happened. It was the shoe-throw heard round the world.

Here's some footage from that day:

 
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newyorkguy said:
The one factor in this that bothers me a bit is, everyone seems to be making light of this -- including Hillary Clinton -- but I wonder how is this woman's story going to end? After throwing a sneaker at Clinton she was arrested, charged with disorderly conduct...and released. In other words, she's out there someplace walking around right now.:(
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Just not very fast, since she only has one shoe.

Michael
 
newyorkguy said:
Shouldn't there be some halfway measure where society can "flag" an individual who is showing anti-social behavior? Or do we always have to wait until they kill someone? :(
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I'd call that a false dichotomy. Society does "flag" people - if they are convicted of a felony they lose firearm privileges. Otherwise no, I'd be against the flag thing.

To other posters, yes the shoe-thrower inspired shows of support in the Middle East, but plenty of people cringed, too. People cringing is not very good footage.
 
newyorkguy said:
I don't know if the New York Daily News could be considered part of the "liberal media" (I know the News would vehemently deny it) but here's how they describe Ms. Ernst:
Before a wig-wearing nutjob threw a shoe at Hillary Clinton, the footwear flinger gave her heart to accused Colorado mass killer James Holmes. Alison Ernst, 36, of Phoenix, was identified Friday as the sneaker-tossing kook who targeted the former First Lady one day earlier during a speech at a Las Vegas casino. And Colorado officials confirmed she was the loopy lady escorted from the courtroom after a bizarre — and bald-headed — outburst during an August 2012 court hearing for Holmes.
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LOL. The writer did their utmost to weave as many synonyms of "crazy" as well as of "footwear" into their story.
 
Alison Ernst seems to be major league disturbed. After disrupting a court hearing to accuse defense counsel for alleged mass murderer James Holmes of misconduct, Ms. Ernst later filed a suit against Holmes.

Again from the New York Daily News:

The Arizona woman filed an off-the-wall lawsuit detailing her devotion to Holmes, who was accused of killing 12 people and wounding another 70 in an Aurora movie theater. "James enters my head like Dennis Quaid in ‘Innerspace’ and he zooms to my heart and plays with it and forces me to care for him,” read the rambling federal court document. “I seek a restraining order to stop Holmes from entering my mind through subliminal messaging and causing me to be obsessed with him on a daily basis.” Link
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The news account doesn't state whether Ms. Ernst was successful in obtaining the restraining order. :)
 
Peephole said:
Reality does indeed have a well-known liberal bias. So reporting the news is automatically biased against Bush I guess.
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You see, ABC news did more than report a shoe being thrown at Bush. They tried to give a bunch of yahoos who thought the guy that threw the shoe some legitimacy by asking if he was a "folk hero".

My point is that ABC news will never ask if the woman who threw the shoe at Clinton is a "folk hero" because a bunch of right-wing yahoos have made her into a folk hero.
 
Bogative said:
ABC news...tried to give a bunch of yahoos who thought the guy that threw the shoe some legitimacy by asking if he was a "folk hero".
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Try this again? They tried to give some legitimacy to the Yahoos who thought...Thought what?

Bogative said:
My point is that ABC news will never ask if the woman who threw the shoe at Clinton is a "folk hero" because a bunch of right-wing yahoos have made her into a folk hero.
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Have a "bunch of right-wing yahoos made her into a folk hero?" How about linking something instead of making statements that on their face seem ridiculous?

Can I tell you what you're missing/ignoring? Context.

This incident happened in 2008 when Bush's approval ratings by the American people was hovering around 30 %. The incident happened in Iraq with an Iraqi journalist. This was after the United States -- at the direction of President George W. Bush -- had invaded Iraq at a cost of tens of billions of dollars, sent hundreds of thousands of American troops there and sacrificed thousands of American lives. Why? To free the Iraqi people from tyranny, Bush told us. So when an Iraqi throws a shoe at President Bush wouldn't you expect the people we bravely rescued to denounce the miscreant?

This is from the BBC:

Thousands of Iraqis have demanded the release of a local TV reporter who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush at a Baghdad news conference. Crowds gathered in Baghdad's Sadr City district, calling for "hero" Muntadar al-Zaidi to be freed from custody. Link
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How does this compare to Alison Ernst? al-Zaidi threw his shoes at a conservative Republican and she threw a shoe at a liberal Democrat so to you the two incidents are roughly the same? You can see no difference? :boggled: (I know the right-wing sites are all over this which is probably where this argument is coming from.)

Why did Ms. Ernst throw her shoe? Has she ever said? Are you aware she has also claimed to have been the victim of a alleged mass killer invading her brain with thought control? Okay, to you maybe she's a folk hero, I guess I can kind of see why. :rolleyes:
 
newyorkguy said:
Try this again? They tried to give some legitimacy to the Yahoos who thought...Thought what?
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Sorry, I missed that before I hit submit. Thought he was a folk hero.



Have a "bunch of right-wing yahoos made her into a folk hero?" How about linking something instead of making statements that on their face seem ridiculous?

Can I tell you what you're missing/ignoring? Context.
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I have no links, but I did spend about an hour last night reading through the comments sections on right-wing websites that reported on the story. I saw a whole lot of posts that were showing support for what this woman did. That's not nearly as many people as those who supported the Bush shoe thrower.

Maybe if I compiled a list of all the people that supported the woman who threw the shoe at Hillary then ABC would question whether or not she was a folk hero.

There has been someone in the news lately that's a lot closer to folk hero status then Ms. Ernst is. I also don't expect ABC news to display a picture a rancher on their evening broadcast with "folk hero?" as the headline… Do you?


How does this compare to Alison Ernst? al-Zaidi threw his shoes at a conservative Republican and she threw a shoe at a liberal Democrat so to you the two incidents are roughly the same? You can see no difference? :boggled: (I know the right-wing sites are all over this which is probably where this argument is coming from.)
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Most of the right-wing sites I read have been condemning her actions.

Why did Ms. Ernst throw her shoe? Has she ever said? Are you aware she has also claimed to have been the victim of a alleged mass killer invading her brain with thought control? Okay, to you maybe she's a folk hero, I guess I can kind of see why. :rolleyes:
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No, she's not a folk hero to me. I hope they throw the book at her.
 
Bogative said:
I have no links, but I did spend about an hour last night reading through the comments sections on right-wing websites that reported on the story. I saw a whole lot of posts that were showing support for what this woman did. That's not nearly as many people as those who supported the Bush shoe thrower.

Maybe if I compiled a list of all the people that supported the woman who threw the shoe at Hillary then ABC would question whether or not she was a folk hero.
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You still don't want to get this. Why do you keep singling out ABC News? The Bush story was reported all over the world. Imagine if most of the world's news media were reporting it and the U.S. media didn't? Is that the kind of country you want?

For the final time. the media didn't call al-Zaidi a hero. They were reporting that others were calling him a hero. To many of his countrymen he was a hero. Can you say the same about Alison Ernst? Okay people who don't like Hillary Clinton love the fact she had a sneaker thrown at her. But that doesn't mean they think the person who did it was heroic.

At least I hope it doesn't. Because Alison Ernst is mentally ill. You don't see that either?
 
Bogative said:
Did ABC World News run a segment with the headline "folk hero?" while showing an image of the woman who threw the shoe at Hillary as they did when Bush had shoes thrown at him?

I'm certain I don't even have to look to find the answer to that question.
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So maybe you think you get better answers if you don't look around too much?
 
Curious if anyone is calling Alison Ernst a "folk hero" I Googled it. At least on the first page only one citation came up. Link This thread. :)
 
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