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...Shall Not Be Infringed

You don't think that self-protection and protecting others is a viable reason to own a gun? Interesting.
Again, every other western country in the world seems to be able to live without guns and without the 'we'll all be murdered in our homes' fear portrayed by the US gun lobby.
But be that as it may, the US constitution 2A does not say 'the right to bear arms shall not be infringed unless Lord Trump decides you are unworthy'
 
I don't think anyone is actually interested in killing people.

But they are interested in saving the lives of the innocent and themselves when police are far away and time is of the essence.
If you own a handgun (some target shooting specialists excepted), you are definitionally interested in shooting people.

You ain't Batman, bro.
 
If you own a handgun (some target shooting specialists excepted), you are definitionally interested in shooting people.

You ain't Batman, bro.
No, many people own handguns simply for shooting targets.

But yes many folks also own a handgun for self defense, NOT cuz they wanna be Charles Bronson.
 
The vast majority of gun owners never shoot anyone. Its only a very tiny fraction.

There are many other societies that have lots of guns, and MUCH lower violent crime rates than the USA. Clearly the problem is not too many guns.
Yes, I'm happy to agree most gun owners are responsible people and no problem for anyone.

And it's also quite possible that too many guns is not the problem. Too many guns may instead be the symptom. I've seen it argued that the problem is Americans are just more afraid of each other than other nations. Perhaps there's something in that.
 
Yes, I'm happy to agree most gun owners are responsible people and no problem for anyone.

And it's also quite possible that too many guns is not the problem. Too many guns may instead be the symptom. I've seen it argued that the problem is Americans are just more afraid of each other than other nations. Perhaps there's something in that.
If we had less socio-economic inequality and much better mental health treatment, our number of murders would drop substantially. Having lots of guns does not guarantee lots of murders. Just look at the other nations with high rates of gun ownership. Most of them have much fewer murders than the USA, which proves that the relationship between gun ownership rates and murders is correlation now causation.
 
No, many people own handguns simply for shooting targets.
Jesus Christ, dude, I just said exactly that in the post you quoted, and you are saying 'no'?
But yes many folks also own a handgun for self defense, NOT cuz they wanna be Charles Bronson.
'Self defense' with a handgun definitionally means shooting people, unless you plan to use the handgun to deflect bullets. Are you identifying as Wonder Woman now?
 
Jesus Christ, dude, I just said exactly that in the post you quoted, and you are saying 'no'?

'Self defense' with a handgun definitionally means shooting people, unless you plan to use the handgun to deflect bullets. Are you identifying as Wonder Woman now?
Just because you want to be able to defend yourself doesn't mean you WANT to shoot anyone.

You're really assuming a lot.
 
Just because you want to be able to defend yourself doesn't mean you WANT to shoot anyone.

You're really assuming a lot.
Defending yourself (and others) has little to do with preparing to shoot people, and investing your time and money to that end.

And Jesus dude, learn to read. I never said 'want' to, as you put in big bolded underlined letters. I said 'interested in'. Anyone can be interested in things they do not want to do.

ETA: for abundant clarity, I don't think handgun owners 'want' to shoot people. I think they want to fetishize their gun and show it off and perhaps touch themselves at night while holding it. They are 'interested' in shooting people. They do not 'want' to.
 
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If you own a handgun (some target shooting specialists excepted), you are definitionally interested in shooting people.

You ain't Batman, bro.
No, it means you want to be able to defend yourself, your loved ones, your neighbors with a weapon that does not require close physical contact.

It means you can defend yourself and others from 20', 30' away. Which is a lot safer than 3' away with a baseball bat or knife.

You assume that people who possess guns are interested in shooting people, and its quite an assumption.
 
.....ETA: for abundant clarity, I don't think handgun owners 'want' to shoot people. I think they want to fetishize their gun and show it off and perhaps touch themselves at night while holding it. They are 'interested' in shooting people. They do not 'want' to.
You're splitting hairs.
 
You don't think that self-protection and protecting others is a viable reason to own a gun? Interesting.
As I said upthread that need has never come up in the lives of myself, my large extended family, or the families of any of my friends or acquaintances in the 71 years of my life. I see it as nothing more than a solution looking for a problem.

I am however convinced by the comments posted here that the USA is such a nasty and violent place that the residents live their lives in fear and see guns as a viable solution,
 
Typical in Britain, Canada, all of western Europe, Australia, New Zealand........ The USA is such an outlier that people there seem to find living without constant fear a concept that is hard to comprehend.
Yes, many US metropolitan areas have a lot of crime. Hard to get away from it unless you live and stay in rural areas.
 

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