Sept. 11 in Chile....an american shame.

[portlandatheist]

you assume a great deal.......
the attacks on 911 were carried out by foreign forces that hated american interference in their country and their lives.

I thought you were a truther based on some of your posts:

having read through the thread, i'm truly astounded that there are still seemingly rational people that still believe the 'official story'.
but, hey, i'm new here...and easily amazed.

and
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186520
and

...
for one, planes do not 'vapourize'.
i know that is true.
plane crashes leave a huge mess.

So you've changed your mind?

 

[Cleon]

Are you saying that the attacks were justified?

did i say that?

No you didn't.

Then your answer is no, and the question unnecessary.

 

[IDB87]

I thought you were a truther based on some of your posts:

and
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186520
and


So you've changed your mind?

Just to add:

but he certainly know(s) the 911 official story is a myth.

So, yeah, no idea what's going on in this thread that isn't about 9/11.

 

[D'rok]

Then your answer is no, and the question unnecessary.

The question was necessary because the implied answer was "yes".

 

[bikerdruid]

I thought you were a truther based on some of your posts:

and
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186520
and


So you've changed your mind?

Just to add:

but he certainly know(s) the 911 official story is a myth.

So, yeah, no idea what's going on in this thread that isn't about 9/11.

note the dates on those posts.
am i the only person in the world that has changed their mind on issues when presented with new ideas?

 

[Cleon]

The question was necessary because the implied answer was "yes".

No, it wasn't. Your inferred answer was "yes."

I've noticed that many people ask "are you saying" less for the purpose of clarification and more as a backhanded way to introduce a massive strawman. I really wish people would stop with that obnoxious habit; it's rather obvious, and more than slightly dishonest.

 

[portlandatheist]

note the dates on those posts.
am i the only person in the world that has changed their mind on issues when presented with new ideas?

Glad to hear it

 

[D'rok]

No, it wasn't. Your inferred answer was "yes."

I've noticed that many people ask "are you saying" less for the purpose of clarification and more as a backhanded way to introduce a massive strawman. I really wish people would stop with that obnoxious habit; it's rather obvious, and more than slightly dishonest.

Give me a break. I'm being generous by saying the answer was implied. In fact, it was all but stated openly. I gave bikerdruid chance to clear the air. I'm still not entirely sure that he has, as he simply responded to my question with another question.

Nonetheless, my subsequent question remains: what the hell is the point in citing un-related American "crimes" and tying them to 9/11?

 

[Cleon]

Give me a break. I'm being generous by saying the answer was implied. In fact, it was all but stated openly. I gave bikerdruid chance to clear the air. I'm still not entirely sure that he has, as he simply responded to my question with another question.

Are you saying that bikerdruid is a supporter of Al-Qaeda?

 

[IDB87]

Are you saying that bikerdruid is a supporter of Al-Qaeda?

He doesn't have to be. He can feel what AQ stands for, and how it operates, is abhorrent and still feel that America deserves a big middle finger now and again.

 

[D'rok]

Are you saying that bikerdruid is a supporter of Al-Qaeda?

No.

See how easy it is to answer a direct question?


Now that we've cleared that up, I would still like to know why he is presenting justifications for the 9/11 attacks if he does not feel that they were justified.

 

[bikerdruid]

Nonetheless, my subsequent question remains: what the hell is the point in citing un-related American "crimes" and tying them to 9/11?

the irony is apparently lost to you.
allende was murdered on sept 11.

 

[D'rok]

the irony is apparently lost to you.
allende was murdered on sept 11.

So what?

 

[Virus]

Allende shot himself.

 

[bikerdruid]

Allende shot himself.

On May 31, TVN, the state television station, reported the recent discovery of a secret 300-page military account of Allende's death. The document had been kept in the home of a former military justice official, and was discovered when his house was destroyed in the 2010 earthquake. After reviewing the report, two forensic experts told TVN "that they are inclined to conclude that Allende was assassinated."[69]This belief is supported by forensic expert Luis Ravanal who has been studying Allende's autopsy since 2007. Ravanal says he found details in the autopsy that weren't in line with the official version of Allende's death. The cranium, he says, shows evidence of a first shot with a small gun, like a pistol, and then, a second shot from a larger weapon — like an AK-47 — which could mean that Allende was shot and killed, then shot a second time with his own gun,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende#Death



.....suicide....riiiiiight.
what flavour of kool aid do you prefer?

 

[D'rok]

apparently 17 times...in the back.....

Chile's Legal Medical Service confirmed on July 19, 2011 that the death was suicide, consistent with the beliefs of Allende's family.[71]Dr. Patricio Bustos, the director of Chile's LMS, described the conclusions as "definitive". Briton David Prayer, an expert in ballistics, stated that the former president died as the result of two gunshots wounds which came from an assault rifle placed between his legs and aimed at his chin.[72] The scientific autopsy team delivered a unanimous finding that Allende used an AK-47 rifle given to him by Fidel Castro. The gun was set to fire automatically and the shots tore off the top of his head, killing him instantly.[73]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende#Death

 

[D'rok]

And more:

A scientific autopsy has confirmed that Chilean president Salvador Allende committed suicide during the 1973 coup that toppled his socialist government, court officials have announced.

British ballistics expert David Prayer said Allende died of two shots fired from an assault rifle that was held between his legs and under his chin and was set to fire automatically. The bullets blew out the top of his head and killed him instantly.

The forensics team's conclusion was unanimous. Spanish expert Francisco Etxeberria said: "We have absolutely no doubt" that Allende committed suicide.

Prayer said two bullets were fired, two casings recovered and there was no evidence a second person was involved in Allende's death. That ruled out theories that Allende, the first socialist in the Americas to come to power at the ballot box, was killed by the military as troops stormed the presidential palace during the coup led by General Augusto Pinochet.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/20/salvador-allende-committed-suicide-autopsy

 

[timhau]

.......nothing about the many thousands that pinochet and his goons disappearred?

Something in the neighborhood of 3-4000, if my memory serves (wikipedia gives the number as 3200). That is deplorable, but compared to the other side of the Cold War, it doesn't even register.

He was a wicked bastard, but he was not Mao or Stalin or Pol Pot. He wasn't even Ceaucescu. Hell, he wasn't even Honecker. He's probably no worse than Castro. Do you regularly hold these people up as examples of political evil?

 

[Noztradamus]

the irony is apparently lost to you.
allende was murdered on sept 11.

And Dr Crippen was hanged on Sept.11

 

[Gazpacho]

By the time UBL started talking about William Blum et al. he was pretty clearly being fed lines by Adam Gadahn. The guy made his name fighting the Soviets and the Afghan communists, then suddenly he has a fit of sympathy for socialists? Come on. He had been degraded (by his own standards) into a kind of anti-imperialist brand.

It's almost as if he was never the ideological giant of Islamic radicalism he was made out to be.