Sept. 11 in Chile....an american shame.

[Pardalis]

the american supported pinochet coup is an example of the deplorable foreign policy that inspired the events of 911 2001.

Pinochet wasn't mentioned in OBL's fatwas.

 

[bikerdruid]

John Pilger is a typical anti-West radical and supports Communist butchers like Fidel Castro and the North Vietnamese. He supported the Iraqi insurgency and Hezbollah. His beef with Pinochet was that he gored his ideological ox.

.......nothing about the many thousands that pinochet and his goons disappearred?

 

[bikerdruid]

While America reflects on the real 9/11 you always have to have that one hippie so and so that has to try to point to something crappy...

every....

single....


time....

the truth about america's inhumane foreign policies hurt, eh?

 

[Checkmite]

That says September 4, not September 11.

 

[IDB87]

the american supported pinochet coup is an example of the deplorable foreign policy that inspired the events of 911 2001.

East Timor is a fine example here. We supported an Indonesian invasion of East Timor to stop communism, and then helped (rather underhandedly, sure) to transition rule back to East Timor. This latter involvement is one of the reasons why Bin Laden issued a fatwa condemning the United States.

So, damned if we do damned if we don't.

Osama Bin Laden on East Timor

*ETA

East Timor is mostly Christian, by the way.

 

[IDB87]

the truth about america's inhumane foreign policies hurt, eh?

It tends to sting, yes. Especially when you do it (purposefully) to force humility on us, on a day in which many thousands of innocent Americans perished in suicide attacks on our civil society.

Especially considering the two events are not linked in any way.

OBL did not care about non-Muslims or communists, he cared about Muslims and Islamic rule, which is why the 2002 attacks on Bali occured- because of Australian and American involvement in the liberation of East Timor (A non-Muslim land that was annexed by a Muslim majority country.)

Kinda low, BD. Kinda real low.

 

[D'rok]

I'm all for strong criticism of militaristic foreign policy, American or otherwise (America is simply the current leader in that department), but this is getting ridiculous.

Not everything is America's fault, and it does much good in the world. Like it or not (and I don't like it at all), some of that good is a direct result of its militarism.

 

[Skeptic]

Not everything is America's fault, and it does much good in the world.

For the likes of BD, everything is America's fault, and it is the cause of everything bad in the world; unlike, say, Iran.

 

[bikerdruid]

For the likes of BD, everything is America's fault, and it is the cause of everything bad in the world; unlike, say, Iran.

not at all....i also think that israel is at fault in some of the world's ills.
i call 'em as i see 'em.

 

[IDB87]

not at all....i also think that israel is at fault in some of the world's ills.
i call 'em as i see 'em.

What do you think of East Timor?

You should call that as you see it. It'd be interesting to see what your perspective is.

 

[portlandatheist]

the american supported pinochet coup is an example of the deplorable foreign policy that inspired the events of 911 2001.

East Timor is a fine example here. We supported an Indonesian invasion of East Timor to stop communism, and then helped (rather underhandedly, sure) to transition rule back to East Timor. This latter involvement is one of the reasons why Bin Laden issued a fatwa condemning the United States.

So, damned if we do damned if we don't.

Osama Bin Laden on East Timor

*ETA

East Timor is mostly Christian, by the way.

Bikerdruid, I thought you were a truther. If the attacks were an inside job, how in the world did our foreign policy "inspire" them to happen?
Would you also say that liberalism and multiculturalism "inspired" the terrorist attacks in Norway? What has "inspired" the more than 3,000 killed in the southern Thailand attacks? The Rajneesh attacks here in Oregon were "inspired" by Agricultural and range zoning laws. What "inspired" Timothy McVeigh?

The point here is that the grievances of terrorists are irrelevant and its a fools errand to try to solve the problem by addressing them (whether their grievances you happen to agree with or not). Its a kind of black mail and it doesn't pay to pay a blackmailer in the end.

 

[bikerdruid]

Bikerdruid, I thought you were a truther. If the attacks were an inside job, how in the world did our foreign policy "inspire" them to happen?
.

you assume a great deal.......
the attacks on 911 were carried out by foreign forces that hated american interference in their country and their lives.

 

[bikerdruid]

What do you think of East Timor?

You should call that as you see it. It'd be interesting to see what your perspective is.

hey, they are bound to do something right once in a while.
that does not excuse american action in chilean domestic affairs.
this thread is about chile, not east timor.
feel free to start a thread .

 

[D'rok]

you assume a great deal.......
the attacks on 911 were carried out by foreign forces that hated american interference in their country and their lives.

Are you saying that the attacks were justified?

 

[bikerdruid]

Are you saying that the attacks were justified?

did i say that?
motivation does not equal justification.

 

[D'rok]

did i say that?

No you didn't. That's why I asked.

motivation does not equal justification.

I'll take that as a "no".

So what's the point with all the 9/11-based anti-Americanism? If they didn't deserve it and the attacks weren't justified, where are you going with all of this?

 

[bikerdruid]

No you didn't. That's why I asked.
I'll take that as a "no".

So what's the point with all the 9/11-based anti-Americanism? If they didn't deserve it and the attacks weren't justified, where are you going with all of this?

this thread is about american involvement in the assassination of an elected leader, and the installation of a despotic murderous tyrant.
actions like this are the reason that america is hated in many places.

 

[varwoche]

your ignorance of the chilean situation is incredible.

Indeed.

Skeptic, instead of posting idiotic stuff like that, maybe you should check out the facts.

 

[IDB87]

that does not excuse american action in chilean domestic affairs.

And no one is saying it does.

this thread is about chile, not east timor.

the american supported pinochet coup is an example of the deplorable foreign policy that inspired the events of 911 2001.

A more direct example that inspired the events of 9/11 would be East Timor, and is on-topic as far as your posting in this thread goes. The United States (among others) helped to right the wrongs that were done in East Timor. For this, Bin Laden says, the U.S. can not be forgiven. East Timor is one of the top reasons for 9/11.

That train of thought is not grounded in reality.

To bring up Chile on a day that Western civil society was attacked, in an attempt to force humility on a nation in morning, and imply that we deserved the attack is quite low, even for you.

 

[D'rok]

this thread is about american involvement in the assassination of an elected leader, and the installation of a despotic murderous tyrant.
actions like this are the reason that america is hated in many places.

So what? Why are you tying it to 9/11?