"SEND HER BACK!" Will they defend this?

WilliamSeger said:
Those kids aren't the brightest. If someone would explain to them that they could get higher rents if Daddy cleaned up the slums and actually did something about the high unemployment, I bet they'd be all in for some sort of socialist program.
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Somewhat, of course poverty is also very profitable as well. Being a slum lord has worked well for the Trump family, and when they tried to go upscale with Donald he lost his shirt so many times. Play it safe and let the money roll in like grandpa did before having to bail out Daddy numerous times.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'm confused. Are you saying you think hate does have a place in our country?
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Nope, just that Trump to be saying it is sort of a ultimate hypocrisy, since he has based his whole poitical career on exploiting bigotry.
Of course I suspect you know this damn well, and are just depereterly trying to defend Dear Leader.
 
Craig4 said:
It's racist to support a racist.
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That is crap.
People overlook bigotry all the time if they like someone's other policies well enough.
Then there is the issue of poiticians cynically using bigotry as a political tool.
 
dudalb said:
Nope, just that Trump to be saying it is sort of a ultimate hypocrisy, since he has based his whole poitical career on exploiting bigotry.
Of course I suspect you know this damn well, and are just depereterly trying to defend Dear Leader.
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Let's grant that Trump is hypocritical. But people don't usually care about hypocrasy unless they're invested in one side or the other. So which side are you invested in? Which side is Craig4 invested in? Does hate have a place in this country, or does it not have a place in this country?

It's a really simple question.
 
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theprestige said:
Huh. I guess Trump is wrong. Hate *does* have a place in this country. I'll have to rethink my ideal of tolerance.
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With Trump, wrong is only one possibility. "He's lying, as usual" has a far greater degree of probability. The canned speech was not in the least bit convincing. How much more forceful if he'd Done A Trump and gone off script with some "... and racism is bad, no it really is and I've told the AG to work on the new Trumperiffic Anti-Racism Mandate of '19... no other President ever did that. It's true and you all know it."

Instead, we have the sight of Dennis the Menace (the hairdo is perfect) being forced to say something nice to Mr.Wilson.
 
Matthew Best said:
Why doesn't Trump go and fix Somalia?
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He is, in his own way by issuing a directive relaxing the rules for authorizing air strikes in Somalia.
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... the new rules codified the inclusion of support to ground forces that had begun under the Obama Administration. The directive reportedly declared all of southern Somalia an “area of active hostilities” (AAH), and stated that wartargeting rules now apply. Its implementation meant that the Obama-era PPG which was applicable to areas outside of recognised conflict zones, no longer applied to the areas of southern Somalia where US forces were carrying out air strikes, thereby removing the requirement for a target to pose a threat to Americans and meaning a strike could be ordered without the need for prior high-level vetting.
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The Obama-era PPG asserted that individuals can be targeted "only if the individual’s activities pose a continuing, imminent threat to U.S. persons”. Later amended to include "American and African troops fighting Al-Shabaab".

The result?

"the United States of America (USA) has dramatically increased the number of air strikes – from manned aircraft and unmanned drones – it has launched in Somalia, tripling the annual rate of attacks and, in 2018, outpacing US strikes in Libya and Yemen combined.​
 
theprestige said:
Huh. I guess Trump is wrong. Hate *does* have a place in this country. I'll have to rethink my ideal of tolerance.
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I don't consider hating haters to be real hate, just like killing in self defense isn't murder. It's simply self (and society) preservation.

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dudalb said:
Craig4 said:
It's racist to support a racist.
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That is crap.
People overlook bigotry all the time if they like someone's other policies well enough.
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I don't think Craig4 was making any claims about it happening, just that doing so was misguided.

It doesn't much matter why someone is supporting a bigot. Being willing to overlook the bigotry is the problem.

Then there is the issue of poiticians cynically using bigotry as a political tool.
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Which they can get away with largely because people are comfortable with overlooking the bigotry as long as the politician claims to have other positions which they support.

It is enabling in its most basic form.
 
dudalb said:
That is crap.
People overlook bigotry all the time if they like someone's other policies well enough.
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Exactly, like all the good Nazi party members who were in it for other reasons. Yet we seem to make claims like all Nazis were bad people. There were many fine people who were Nazis and so being a Nazi is in no way a barrier to being a fine person.
 
Ziggurat said:
Let's grant that Trump is hypocritical. But people don't usually care about hypocrasy unless they're invested in one side or the other. So which side are you invested in? Which side is Craig4 invested in? Does hate have a place in this country, or does it not have a place in this country?

It's a really simple question.
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Yes 100 percent hate has a place in politics. You can't destroy something as base and vile as Trump without hate. It's okay to hate evil.
 
dudalb said:
That is crap.
People overlook bigotry all the time if they like someone's other policies well enough.
Then there is the issue of poiticians cynically using bigotry as a political tool.
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It may be a question of degrees but supporting racists is still racist. If you'd sacrifice people for your other interests, what else could you be but racist.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Better question: Why doesn't Trump go fix Baltimore? Is he their president or not? When he saw that FOX segment, did he say, "This is terrible! I've got to do something!" Did he at least say, "Get me the mayor of Baltimore on the phone! He's got to do something!" Nope, when he saw it, he thought, "That's Cummings district? Haha, where's my Twitter machine! The deplorables will love this!"
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Better that than Infrastructure Week to Baltimore. He's done such a wonderful job putting together major public works up until now, after all.

The entire Inner Harbor would catch fire within a month (no, the water), the public schools would be turned over to a private system black residents couldn't afford, and he'd bring Bloomberg-style, brazenly unconstitutional harassment that would lead to massive rioting after the police decided to just outright kill a group of students based on a tweet that was actually from western Maryland. It'd be catastrophic.
 
Craig4 said:
Yes 100 percent hate has a place in politics. You can't destroy something as base and vile as Trump without hate. It's okay to hate evil.
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"Hate" is misused in this sense.

You don't need to hate evil to be against its influences.

You don't need to hate Trump to be against his actions and the effects he has on our country.

I don't, at any rate.

Hate is an emotion I reserve for a much more limited range of particular things and people. Casting so wide a net with it is simply too tiring.
 
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