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Merged Senate Report on CIA Torture Program

Not much evidence on this one.
You're the one who admitted blind faith in the military's judgment and the CIA's claims.

Like you basing your beliefs on non evidence?
I asked YOU for evidence that torture works, since you claimed it has kept us safe. You came up empty. The burden is on you. Don't change the subject.

Again, I'm mocking this forums incessant asking of proof, common sense is in short supply.
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by the age of 18. It is also the result of a series of extremely stupid logical fallacies that have become embedded in the human brain over generations. Nobody is impressed by your appeals to common sense.

You seem to not like the military much, is this true?
Black and white fallacy. Criticism of the CIA's torture policy is not tantamount to dislike of every single armed service man and woman. Likewise, supporting the troops does not mean blindly agreeing with every single stupid military policy made by the government, nor making up excuses for every single atrocity committed by the troops.
 
Just let me know when the troops with the pertty blue hats come in to arrest everyone. I want a frontline seat for that!:D
 
lol
Objective?
I thought you were talking about evidence? Do you now see all the evidence you put up is opinion?

By your own admission, your own stance on the issue is based on uninformed opinion. Uninformed opinion occupies the lowest tier of human knowledge, right alongside "crap you just made up." Congratulations on your willful ignorance.
 
Because Libs will always drag down their country, will always hate the military, do not have the stomach for the hard things of war, most important, libs will always be on the wrong side of issues.

That's a good one. By your reasoning, all things are permissible in times of war, because any objections must come from people who don't have the stomach for the hard things of war. Should we rape prisoners of war? Should we build internment camps like we did in WWII? Should we enact a scorched earth policy, as some nations have done? Or do you not have the stomach for that?
 
You're the one who admitted blind faith in the military's judgment and the CIA's claims.

Yes, there are many heroes among them.

I asked YOU for evidence that torture works, since you claimed it has kept us safe. You came up empty. The burden is on you. Don't change the subject.

I already know what you don't, there isn't any evidence just opinion, oh my!

Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by the age of 18. It is also the result of a series of extremely stupid logical fallacies that have become embedded in the human brain over generations. Nobody is impressed by your appeals to common sense.

Common sense is what it is, learning through life experience helps sharpen it. Libs don't have life experience, so they have to have others spoon feed them.

Black and white fallacy. Criticism of the CIA's torture policy is not tantamount to dislike of every single armed service man and woman.

It is crystal clear the left doesn't respect the military or cops. Anarchy is what they love. Never let a crises go to waste.
 
By your own admission, your own stance on the issue is based on uninformed opinion. Uninformed opinion occupies the lowest tier of human knowledge, right alongside "crap you just made up." Congratulations on your willful ignorance.

lol

A leftist calling my opinion uninformed has to be the most hilarious thing I've heard all day.

I'm accusing you leftists of putting up liberal opinion as evidence, and you accuse me of being uninformed.
 
Should we rape prisoners of war? Should we build internment camps like we did in WWII? Should we enact a scorched earth policy, as some nations have done? Or do you not have the stomach for that?

No, that's what the enemy we are fighting does, we give them a little water treatment, the liberals can't stop crying about it. You say we don't want to become what they are, and yet, we do none of those horrible things. I'm glad of the people we have handling these situations and not pious libs.
 
No, that's what the enemy we are fighting does, we give them a little water treatment, the liberals can't stop crying about it. You say we don't want to become what they are, and yet, we do none of those horrible things.

The "little water treatment" you are referring to is called torture. We prosecuted Japanese for doing the same "little water treatment" during WWII as a war crime. We are doing precisely "those horrible things" they did.

Are you at all familiar with your own history?
 
Because Libs will always drag down their country, will always hate the military, do not have the stomach for the hard things of war, most important, libs will always be on the wrong side of issues.


Your own military manuals on interrogation and the handling of prisoners tell you not to mistreat prisoners. Guess the Joint Chiefs under whose authorities those manuals have been issued since at least the days of WWII are a bunch of "Libs" who hate themselves and want to drag down the country.

Alternately, the "Libs" are the ones who get all bothered about keeping their word and abiding by the Rule of Law. If that's the wrong side of the issue, you may need to rethink your moral code.
 
No, but this makes a nice posting on other forums.

I think the experts should be allowed to do whatever they need to do to save innocent lives, especially American lives. And because of that you think I hate America.

It's already getting laughter elsewhere. Thanks!

So why didn't the CIA use experts then?
 
The "little water treatment" you are referring to is called torture. We prosecuted Japanese for doing the same "little water treatment" during WWII as a war crime. We are doing precisely "those horrible things" they did.

Are you at all familiar with your own history?

Yes but our* secret services were torturing enemies of our states, whilst the Japanese were torturing friends of our states...

*There is enough evidence to say that MI6 was complicit in this and had agents present when other regimes tortured people that MI6 were interested in.
 
Science is liberal opinion?

You haven't figured that out yet?

Evolution. Climate Change. Smoking causes cancer. Torture doesn't work. The Earth goes around the Sun. These aren't scientific findings, they're opinions by ivory tower-dwelling liberal academics trying to manipulate society.
 
Yes but our* secret services were torturing enemies of our states, whilst the Japanese were torturing friends of our states...

*There is enough evidence to say that MI6 was complicit in this and had agents present when other regimes tortured people that MI6 were interested in.

Ah, I remember when conservatives complained about moral relativism. I think it used to even be on this board.
 
Churchill was aware of the risk that democracies might become totalitarian in the existential fight against totalitarian regimes. Al Quaeda, whilst causing a lot of harm was not really as much of an existential threat as the USSR or the Axis powers, or indeed, the armies of George III.
 
lol

A leftist calling my opinion uninformed has to be the most hilarious thing I've heard all day.

I'm accusing you leftists of putting up liberal opinion as evidence, and you accuse me of being uninformed.
You admitted yourself that you don't know if torture works. You have demonstrated a complete unwillingness to provide evidence to support your claims. You have argued that it's preferable to be left in the dark about what the CIA is up to, because it's for the greater good. That's the very definition of willful ignorance.

Unlike you, I don't pick a political affiliation and then let the label do all my thinking for me. I follow the evidence and make up my mind on an issue-per-issue basis, which is a lot harder than what you do, evidently. Not that it's any of your business, but I actually fall on the moderate-libertarian part of the spectrum, according to most of the political affiliation quizzes I've taken.

I'm sure you also hate that damn liberal leftist John McCain for his stance on torture. After all, what would he know about the issue, who is he to speak on it, and what business has he criticizing the actions of the military?

 
Common sense is what it is, learning through life experience helps sharpen it. Libs don't have life experience, so they have to have others spoon feed them.

So it's "common sense" to you that torture has kept us safe? For all your appeals to common sense, it's clear you haven't stopped to think about where common sense originates or what it means. Let me explain to you what common sense really is.

Common sense amounts to little more than the prejudices you have accumulated growing up. Prejudgments save you from having to think critically, because you assume you already know the answer. You don't have to evaluate the situation, gather evidence, or get to know a person, because you presume foreknowledge. You jump straight to the conclusion without any supporting premises. You bypass reason and believe what you want to believe because self-assurance is more comfortable.

Common sense is a collection of logical fallacies. An appeal to common sense is no different from an argument from personal incredulity, which is to say, you can't imagine how something could be true, therefore it must be false. Creationists use this all the time to attempt to disprove evolution. They can't imagine how complex life could have arisen by random chance, therefore evolution must be false. After all, it's common sense.

Common sense lies to you every single day. Common sense is what makes you judge others for their bad decisions in hindsight, even though if given the same exact set of circumstances, you would have done the same thing. Common sense is what people use to attack ideas they don't like just because they aren't the perfect solution to every problem. Common sense tells you that if something, no matter how remote, might happen, it probably will happen. Common sense causes people to see patterns and associations that aren't there, leading to many a superstitious belief.

Common sense means clinging to your preconceived notions. For centuries, common sense held that women were mentally and emotionally inferior to men, and should be denied equal rights or opportunities. Common sense once held that blacks were an inferior race and deserved to be enslaved to keep them in line. It was once common sense that the sun went around the Earth. Common sense once told people that evil spirits caused diseases. It's fortunate therefore that we've learned to challenge what was once held in common sense.

Most of all, common sense is antithetical to skepticism. Skepticism requires that one demand evidence to support a claim, belief, theory, or conclusion. Skepticism requires that one challenge one's preexisting prejudices and be willing to change one's beliefs. Skepticism means asking questions and informing oneself, rather than blindly accepting what one is told. Skepticism keeps us from making rash decisions, from rushing to judgment, and from holding fast to ideas that don't work.

So when you speak of "common sense" you are talking about your automatic thoughts. Common sense cannot be a source of knowledge because everyone has automatic thoughts, prejudices, and preconceived notions, and they're all different and unique depending on the individual's upbringing. Common sense does serve a function in helping people live their everyday lives without having to stress over the details, but it's not a source of universal truth or wisdom.

I prefer evidence over common sense.
 
So it's "common sense" to you that torture has kept us safe? For all your appeals to common sense, it's clear you haven't stopped to think about where common sense originates or what it means. Let me explain to you what common sense really is.

Not necessarily, I just want the option. It's clearly used rarely. It's not something the government has to publish every detail.


I prefer evidence over common sense.

Agreed.
All have some type of common sense, its what leads one to find evidence. As I said before common sense is what it is, some have more of it than others.
 
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