seeing the light in skepticism

[De'Ville's Advocaat]

No, you halfwitted liar, I saw you behaving like a liar, a hypocrite, and a fool, being offensive while boasting that you weren't, and pointed it out. The readers of this thread are literate. They can read your posts and mine, and see that you are lying. How many times do I have to explain this to woowoos --- there is no point in lying about what you or I have posted on this site. It just makes you look pathetic.

Well if you'd care to provide the quote which you think is the same as "whining like a crybaby" (mine, not you own), I would be more than happy to see it. It is entirely possible that someone logged on unbeknown to me and did such without my noticing it yet. I have been quite polite throughout and merely, in most gentle terms, lightly chided one or two for being openly disrespectful for either name calling or spamming. It would be more than a little irrational to interpret that as "whining like a crybabay", which is why I am puzzled at your accusation for using such an emotive term in an otherwise civil discussion. I certainly do not see there being a need to call me a "liar" either, it is not the way of things for a mature debate. If you decide to carry on in that manner, you will of course remove yourself from any further debate by default, which is a shame, as it is often the last refuge of the intellectual coward. A sort of debating 'suicide bomber' tactic used by fanatics.

 

[Dr Adequate]

If you are going to post lies about what I said and what I meant, then I will call you a liar. What else am I meant to do? Pretend that you're telling the truth? But oh, hold on, calling you on your lies makes me an "intellectual cowrad". Intellectual courage, in your version, would correspond to... accepting witless lies as though they were true? Interesting.

The whole substance of your posts seems to be whining about the people who disagree with you. I can't really find anywhere where you aren't whining.

 

[Dr Adequate]

I have been quite polite throughout and merely, in most gentle terms, lightly chided one or two for being openly disrespectful for either name calling or spamming.

Again the stupid evasive lies. That was not what I was complaining about, but rather your pious hypocrisy. I was objecting, as anyone but a halfwit would know, and anyone but a contemptible liar would admit, to the part of your post which I quoted. I made this clear in the post you're responding to, and still you babble out the same lies. PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD CAN READ. THEY KNOW THAT YOU"RE LYING.

 

[KelvinG]

I have been quite polite throughout and merely, in most gentle terms, lightly chided one or two for being openly disrespectful for either name calling or spamming.

Yes, but Luci, we all know that's not going to continue.
How long before your next meltdown? A couple days, weeks?

 

[Ashles]

BTW Kelvin that was a good spot. You picked up on the style, tone and subject matter really quickly.

 

[KelvinG]

BTW Kelvin that was a good spot. You picked up on the style, tone and subject matter really quickly.

What can I say. I've been addicted to reading Luci's posts over the years in spite of myself!!
I guess it's kind of like watching a car wreck. I don't want to watch, I get nothing out of it, but I can't look away.

 

[Pragmatist]

BTW Kelvin that was a good spot. You picked up on the style, tone and subject matter really quickly.

There were plenty of clues.

"De'Ville's" very first post just happens to be in a thread about Lucianarchy's banning. A thread which would probably be meaningless to any real newcomer and which, judging by the title one would assume is about Claus:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870663324#post1870663324

He then proceeds to post "spirit guide" predictions, which of course are wrong.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870667210#post1870667210

As soon as events prove him wrong he comes up with ad-hoc explanations as to how he was really right:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870674235#post1870674235

Then there is the inevitable attack on "pseudoskeptics"

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870681269#post1870681269

Followed by an attack on Claus denouncing him as a "pathological liar"

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870686122#post1870686122

Then comes this interesting little exchange where Hugo Cornwall refers to Lucianarchy by his real name

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870682491#post1870682491

"I'm afraid Luci (Brendan/ Sheila Coo-eeeee I know who you are!)won't be posting there again. I suggest a moments noise

HC (Bigot)

oh, and Peter, DARLING! I regard that as a compliment coming from you big boy *big wet kiss on the forehead*

And "De'Ville" gets his own back by mentioning Hugo's real name:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870686147#post1870686147

"Dear Dennis. This guy has problems he isn't even aware of yet.

And the posts in this thread are classic Lucianarchy.

So, we have a total newcomer who immediately homes in on a thread which is apparently about Claus (and Lucianarchy), starts doing exactly what Lucianarchy always does (bogus predictions and excuses), attacks alleged "pseudoskeptics", attacks Claus who has apparently never said a word to him, has a tit for tat swipe at a woo who knows Luci and who mentions Luci's real name by mentioning that person's, and then proceeds to post in the inimitable style of Lucianarchy. Is this a no-brainer or what?

 

[Dr Adequate]

Thanks for the links.

Originally posted by... could it be...?
My spirit guide says that Kerry did in fact win, he got the overwhelming majority. There is a huge scam going down via the 'dark forces' of the right in America. Apparently, these 'forces' are remnants of the fascists America saved from execution after the WWII. In exchange for gold and technology they 'bought' their freedom in the US. Thing is, the are now 2nd generation and have hung on to more than they ever gave away. They are using the Republican party like a Trojan Horse. Apparently, these fascists use things like 911 in order to create the conditions in which they operate more freely. Their aim is to take over the control of industrial power and the flow of information through trickery and misdirection. My spirit guide says the faciscts have taken over the US by stealth and in a manner which no one will believe until it is too late.

How did I miss this?

 

[Sanamas]

Well, I made my token effort to be nice, but upon reading more of your posts, I can say with a fair degree of certainty that you are crazy, De'ville.

You can't just hide your beliefs behind quantum mechanics and think that they are safe because it's such a complicated and mysterious area of science that very few people understand it.

 

[Ashles]

Agreed that is a classic.

No matter what happens it is impossible that Luci can ever be wrong about a prediction. Even if it has to involve Nazi war criminals, secret gold stores and ultra secret fascist societies.
Add a couple of helicopters and a car chase and you'd have a Dan Brown novel.


Although with all the spirit guides out there there must be some that are really stupid or congenital liars.
How unlucky would that be? - To genuinely be able to speak to the dead, but all they want to do is give you false information and make you look like an idiot.

 

[De'Ville's Advocaat]

[...] makes me an "intellectual cowrad".

Why, yes, yes.. Good example.

 

[Anders]

Just to mention here that (as people probably expect) I disagree with this. No single psi experiment is going to convince a Skeptic, [snip]

Of course it would. Any experiment that shows any effect, any at all would do. But not if the quality of the experiment is bad, it's data has been tampered, or it takes a meta-analysis to show the slightest effect. And, the experiment should be based on a hypothesis, no side effects should be counted.

These are just ordinary rules for any experment in any scientific context.

Such experiments are beeing done, and those show no effect. For instance an experiment at the Stockholm University with 605 subjects showed no effect whatsoever, or as the researcher says (my translation) "The predicted effects were extremly weak and far from significant.". That was an extremy good quality study. Anf that from people that really want to study the phenomemna, and thinks that a great deal of money should be put into reasearch in the ESP area, as it is the part of parapsycololgy that is the most reality near area.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Why, yes, yes.. Good example.

What a bizarre non-sequitur. Now, will you please explain how calling you on your pathetic, transparent, and stupid lies makes me an "intellectual coward".

No. But you will post a lot of meaningless irrelevant gibble.

(Let's see how my powers of psi are bearing up today).

 

[Nex]

Why is everyone being so serious?

...

No. But you will post a lot of meaningless irrelevant gibble.

(Let's see how my powers of psi are bearing up today).

< meta-analysis >

"Gibble" reminds me of giblets.
Thanksgiving's next week here in the States.
Giblet gravy is yummy.
I will be having some with my turkey and 'tatoes.

< /meta-analysis >

Omibob, Dr. A., you ARE psychic!

 

[Anders]

Why is everyone being so serious?
[snip]

Because ESP research cost money. Money for research often comes from my pockets, through taxation. If researchers gets funding from private funds, dead people estates, fine, that's OK, people can do whatever they want with their money.

But when state funded Universities house researchers that still, after years of failures, pursue for instance ESP results, I'm not happy. Those funds come from my wallet!

That’s the reason we, at least I am, are taking this very seriously.

 

[De'Ville's Advocaat]

I'm not happy. Those funds come from my wallet!

That’s the reason we, at least I am, are taking this very seriously.

You're joking right? Seriously, the amount of taxation from your personal 'wallet' which would account for Psi research must be about 5p per person, per year. You probably spend that amount each day complaining about it on the internet!

 

[Interesting Ian]

You're joking right? Seriously, the amount of taxation from your personal 'wallet' which would account for Psi research must be about 5p per person, per year. You probably spend that amount each day complaining about it on the internet!

Yes scarcely any taxation at all goes towards psi research. Isn't it all funded by donations from rich people?

I consider the research to be very important though and would welcome all our taxes going up, or alternatively tax money beiong spent less elsewhere and being diverted to psi research. I would welcome spending 100 times as much as we do presently.

S'long as it doesn't come out of my beer money. Only kidding

 

[amherst]

One of the few repeatable things I've seen while researching psi is on this very forum. Proponents of psi come on here, post something about "overwhelming" evidence for psi, and when asked for specifics, either evade the question or post a link to Daryl Bem's paper or to Radin's book. What people are looking for (at least those that are curious), however, is not a summary of research, but actual experiments. I have deep suspicions that many proponents have never actually read the experiments themselves but only summaries of them (again, usually from Bem/Radin). This is not how one resolves the psi controversy. If you come to this forum and expect to defend psi, you should be well-armed with all relevant knowledge concerning the experiments in parapsychology. I'm curious as to whether you (or any other proponent for that matter) can point to some specific experiments that convince you psi exists and give reasons why?

You write that "when asked for specifics [proponents] either evade the question or post a link to Daryl Bem's paper or to Radin's book." Please tell me what important specifics skeptics have asked for which weren't provided by those summaries (or any of the other available material), and then explain why you don't think you're a hypocrite. In our brief discussion of the Pearce-Pratt series, you claimed, while trying to defend Hansel's highly implausible fraud scenario, that:

Rhine awarded [Pearce for getting the] positive results with monetary means.

I "asked for specifics," but you never provided them.

And in that same thread I wrote:

I remember a brief correspondence we had a few months ago concerning a conversation you had with George Hansen about some security vulnerabilities the ganzfeld supposedly has. When I asked you to tell me what exactly these were you refused since you, as you said, were not at that time in possesion of your notes, and didn't want to misrepresent Hansen and his colleagues. Have you located those notes yet?

Have you located those notes yet?

amherst

 

[Interesting Ian]

Because ESP research cost money. Money for research often comes from my pockets, through taxation. If researchers gets funding from private funds, dead people estates, fine, that's OK, people can do whatever they want with their money.

But when state funded Universities house researchers that still, after years of failures, pursue for instance ESP results, I'm not happy. Those funds come from my wallet!

What failures?

Why shouldn't the funds come out of your wallet? The vast majority of us in the first world have far too much money anyway. You have no idea of my contempt for people whose sole goal in life seems to be to acquire as many material goods as possible and to flash all their money around. Rich people should be taxed to the hilt and the money given to poor people . .oh yeah . .and psi research

 

[Mojo]

Yes scarcely any taxation at all goes towards psi research. Isn't it all funded by donations from rich people?

I suspect that some funding comes from people who aren't rich, but are gullible.