Sean Penn the Dictator Coddling Traitor

I believe he also has a Bacon number of 1, which makes him an important nexus.
 
Zep said:
So how much of diddly does his opinion on anything matter to anyone?
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Go over to the Internet Movie Data Base Forums.It will scare the hell out of you how many dumbass fanboys will actually adopt a political posisition just because some actor adapts it.
 
WildCat said:
But it was the Gore campaign that involved the courts in the first place, led by campaign manager "Honest Bill" Daley and his demand to recount only Dem-leaning counties.
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Well, he doesn't sound very nice either, does he boys and girls?

Nor did the demand that the count should be stopped, at the request of the plantiff, one George Walker Bush.

Sheesh. It stunk in the eyes of the world, and you don't have to get Bush elected anymore, so 'fess up. It stunk.
 
timhau said:
Well, his opinion should matter because he was pretty good in Mystic River. Just take my word for it, OK?
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OK. I didn't see it but...OK.

dudalb said:
Go over to the Internet Movie Data Base Forums.It will scare the hell out of you how many dumbass fanboys will actually adopt a political posisition just because some actor adapts it.
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And Corplinx is an anti one of them? :confused:
 
dudalb said:
For some time I have argued that the Democratic Party's love affair with Hollywood Celebs backfires on them among Blue Collar voters.
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Have you also argued that the Republican Party's love affair with Hollywood Celebs backfires on them among Blue Collar voters?

No?

Consider Exhibit A which is, of course, Ronald Reagan. A Hollywood actor who didn't give a damn about Blue Collar voters.

Exhibit B would be Charlston Heston. A Hollywood actor who didn't give a crap for anyone who didn't own a gun.

Exhibit C would be Arnold Schwarzenagger. A Republican who tried to screw Blue Collar workers and got his ass handed to him when 4 out of 4 of his initiatives in California got defeated.

Exhibit D would be Fred Thompson, an actor in the mold of Ronnie. He spent a couple of decaces as a lobbyist for...er, Blue Collar voters? Nope. Sorry. He lobbied for big corporations.

Sorry, your own argument, when confronted with factual exhibits, fails miserably.
 
WildCat said:
Which sounds fine until you take into account that no one could agree on which precincts should be re-counted and how they should be counted.

But it was the Gore campaign that involved the courts in the first place, led by campaign manager "Honest Bill" Daley and his demand to recount only Dem-leaning counties.
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What? Recounted? They never finished the initial count. When it became obvious Gore had it locked, Rove sent a bunch of GOP party hacks to stage a riot at the Miami Canvassing Center. Which basically threw everything into a maelstrom. Many people have said that there was no way Gore would have lost if the votes had been legitimately counted. It was a coup in every sense of the word.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Sheesh. It stunk in the eyes of the world, and you don't have to get Bush elected anymore, so 'fess up. It stunk.
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Oh it stunk all right, but the chefs of that stinking pile of bovine excrement were Dems and Republicans.
 
blndrhed said:
What? Recounted? They never finished the initial count. When it became obvious Gore had it locked, Rove sent a bunch of GOP party hacks to stage a riot at the Miami Canvassing Center. Which basically threw everything into a maelstrom. Many people have said that there was no way Gore would have lost if the votes had been legitimately counted. It was a coup in every sense of the word.
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I don't think you have a single fact right in that post.
 
WildCat said:
Which sounds fine until you take into account that no one could agree on which precincts should be re-counted and how they should be counted.
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While I appreciate your passion for the niceties of the law, I can't help thinking that "This Is America, Count Every Vote" makes a better slogan than "Actually, There Is No Formal Legal Definition Of The Word 'Hole', Is There?"
 
shecky said:
But Pinochet at least grew the economy for all the lives he disappeared.
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And Mussolini made the trains run on time (allegedly);
Hitler not only made the economy recover and run well, he built the autobahns.
Idi Amin certainly made life better for sculptors. So did Kim of North Korea. And Pol Pot certainly did something for agriculture. And Stalin did tons for steel production.

Wonderful. :rolleyes:
 
Gurdur said:
And Mussolini made the trains run on time (allegedly)
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Mussolini made one train run on time, the train that took him to Rome for the March that let them seize power.

As for Chavez, I've no doubt I could come up with loads of worse world leaders than him at the moment. The attitude towards him epitomises the hypocracy of US and western foreign policy in general. Chavez is the current enemy because he's a left winger and because Venuzuela is of importance to US oil supplies. A right wing, US friendly despot would be allowed free reign there, of that I have no doubt.
 
Making the trains run on time is really for the military so they can shift equipment around with planning.

Better yet are superhighways; then you don't need to wait for the trains (or make a problem-ridden, Herculean effort to re-juggle the train schedules) for a sudden need to shift troops and equipment.

But superhighways're expensive, so you have to create a people's car, so as to justify to them the creation of superhighways for the people's car to drive on.
 
Sergio Agüero said:
As for Chavez, I've no doubt I could come up with loads of worse world leaders than him at the moment. The attitude towards him epitomises the hypocracy of US and western foreign policy in general. Chavez is the current enemy because he's a left winger and because Venuzuela is of importance to US oil supplies. A right wing, US friendly despot would be allowed free reign there, of that I have no doubt.
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You don't have to come up with loads of leaders worse than Chavez, because you've already showed you missed the point entirely.

Chavez is taking a democracy and turning it into a dictatorship, something that should disturb anyone who believes in democracy.
 
Apparently, Sergio's point is that there is no point in criticizing anybody if it is not also a criticism of the United States.

"The attitude towards him epitomises the hypocracy of US and western foreign policy in general"​
And yet Sergio sees no hypocrisy in withholding criticism of Chavez for his actions while simultaneously blasting America for withholding criticism of its despotic allies...
 
WildCat said:
Chavez is taking a democracy and turning it into a dictatorship, something that should disturb anyone who believes in democracy.
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The question is what makes this relevant to the US? We already know the issue seems to catch the interest of Sean Penn. Chavez makes no difference to America unless the US decides to pull a Sean Penn and make him an issue.
 
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