Science vs Teleology: Which lens is best for viewing 911?

Totally incorrect. I said the puff of smoke in Shanksville is not comparable to other plane crashes. I didn't say anything about the crashes into the towers.

Really?

And your expertise and professional qualifications, to make such a statement, are what?

Exactly?

Please list the number of plane crash investigations you have personally been involved in.








Or maybe not.:rolleyes:
 
Approximately 95% of Flight 93 was recovered. Are you arguing that your imaginary conspiracy includes the FBI?

So those few pictures of planes parts released during the Mossaui trial make up that 95%? If not, can you please post where this 95% of Flight 93 is located.
 
So those few pictures of planes parts released during the Mossaui trial make up that 95%? If not, can you please post where this 95% of Flight 93 is located.



Your WTC 7 fantasies have taken a brutal beating. Your decison to flee those threads shows an instinct for self-preservation, if a wee bit of a yellow streak. How you expect to survive in the Flight 93 dreamworld when there are no obvious Super-Jews remains to be seen. But...

Your reflexive dismissal of the evidence of the crash suggests that you are including the FBI in your imaginary conspiracy. You won't, of course, come right out and acknowledge it because you never come right out and acknowledge anything. So, how do you intend to play it? Roughly 95% of the plane was recovered. We realize that your fellow liars have no choice but to pretend otherwise. How will you bottle this snake oil?

http://911myths.com/html/there_was_no_plane.html
 
So those few pictures of planes parts released during the Mossaui trial make up that 95%? If not, can you please post where this 95% of Flight 93 is located.

Seriously, do you search for quotes from the dumbest liars you can find? Where should debris from the crash of a commercial airliner be located? In a library? A local bar?

Enlighten us.
 
Seriously, do you search for quotes from the dumbest liars you can find? Where should debris from the crash of a commercial airliner be located? In a library? A local bar?

Enlighten us.

Ok, where are the pictures of the 95%. So far we have a few scraps from the Mossaui trial and about a third of a dumpster of rusty pieces. Where's this 95%?
 
Seriously, what the hell are you babbling about?


As you know, if Larry Silverstein's last name were Jones, we wouldn't be talking about the collapse of WTC 7. It was--obviously--a building that was hit by tons of debris, suffered extensive fires, and collapsed. There was nothing mysterious to the firefighters who predicted the collapse. You and your fellow liars fabricated a fantasy that caters to the Jew-hating segment of your evil movement.
 
Ok, where are the pictures of the 95%. So far we have a few scraps from the Mossaui trial and about a third of a dumpster of rusty pieces. Where's this 95%?


We want to know how the wreckage is handled in a crash. Where does it end up? How do you know?
Do you believe that the FBI is part of your imaginary conspiracy to shift control of Congress from the Republicans to the Democrats?
 
As you know, if Larry Silverstein's last name were Jones, we wouldn't be talking about the collapse of WTC 7.

Why wouldn't we? What does his last name have to do with it? What does WTC 7 have to do with the 95% of Flight 93 you're going to provide the proof of?
 

The conspiracy liars here are far too lazy and dull-witted to check out the invaluable resource created by Mark Roberts. Here is a brief summary of the Flight 93 evidence:​

Evidence Summary: 10 Points

​
1) The four hijackers purchased tickets under their own names and boarded the plane. One was randomly selected for and passed additional security screening. Ziad Jarrah was a licensed pilot and had recent training on professional large jet flight simulators. United flight 93 was scheduled to depart at 8:00 am, but left 42 minutes late due to airport traffic. Aboard were 33 passengers, 7 crew members, and 4 hijackers.

2) Several passengers and crew called from the plane, spoke with loved ones, described the hijackers' attack, and related their plan to try to retake the plane so that it would not be used as a suicide weapon against a populated area. All but two of these calls were made using the planes' Airfones.

3) The cockpit voice recorder recorded the hijackers' attack and apparent murder of the pilots and a flight attendant. Air traffic controllers heard a radio transmission by a man with an Arabic accent, warning of a bomb on board. Passengers reported that one of the hijackers had what appeared to be a bomb strapped to him.

4) After learning about the other attacks, passengers and cabin crew attempted to retake the cockpit but were apparently unable to gain entry. The sound of their attempts was recorded on the CVR. The CVR also recorded the hijackers' decision to end the flight, followed by repeated shouts of "Allahu Akbar!" ("God is greatest.") until the plane crashed. Families of victims heard the CVR recording.

5) Flight 93 was tracked by radar until it went down.

6) Many people in Pennsylvania saw the Boeing 757, traveling at low altitude and high speed, roll to the right and plummet upside-down, nose first, towards the ground. Many people witnessed the subsequent enormous explosion and fireball. Val McClatchey photographed the mushroom cloud.

7) Hundreds of first responders (mostly volunteer firefighters) and crime scene investigators were quickly on the scene. They saw human remains, aircraft wreckage, personal effects, jet fuel, etc.
The cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder were recovered and had usable data, all of which is consistent with the other evidence.

8) The remains of every victim was positively identified. Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller personally collected many remains and made 12 identifications through fingerprints and dental records. Personal effects of most passengers and crew were recovered and returned to their families.

9) Hijacker identification documents and personal effects were recovered, along with the remains of four people identified as the hijackers through the process of elimination.

10) Nearly all of the aircraft was recovered by professional investigators and by civilians. The debris was returned to United Airlines after being examined for evidence of explosives use.
 
Why wouldn't we? What does his last name have to do with it? What does WTC 7 have to do with the 95% of Flight 93 you're going to provide the proof of?


The evil movement you serve was attracted to the collapse of WTC 7 because its owner was a Jew.

The remains of Flight 93 were, as you know, returned to United Airlines. Please tell us how this crash was handled differently from other crashes. How do you know?
 
Evidence Summary: 10 Points

​
1) The four hijackers purchased tickets under their own names and boarded the plane. One was randomly selected for and passed additional security screening. Ziad Jarrah was a licensed pilot and had recent training on professional large jet flight simulators. United flight 93 was scheduled to depart at 8:00 am, but left 42 minutes late due to airport traffic. Aboard were 33 passengers, 7 crew members, and 4 hijackers.

2) Several passengers and crew called from the plane, spoke with loved ones, described the hijackers' attack, and related their plan to try to retake the plane so that it would not be used as a suicide weapon against a populated area. All but two of these calls were made using the planes' Airfones.

3) The cockpit voice recorder recorded the hijackers' attack and apparent murder of the pilots and a flight attendant. Air traffic controllers heard a radio transmission by a man with an Arabic accent, warning of a bomb on board. Passengers reported that one of the hijackers had what appeared to be a bomb strapped to him.

4) After learning about the other attacks, passengers and cabin crew attempted to retake the cockpit but were apparently unable to gain entry. The sound of their attempts was recorded on the CVR. The CVR also recorded the hijackers' decision to end the flight, followed by repeated shouts of "Allahu Akbar!" ("God is greatest.") until the plane crashed. Families of victims heard the CVR recording.

5) Flight 93 was tracked by radar until it went down.

6) Many people in Pennsylvania saw the Boeing 757, traveling at low altitude and high speed, roll to the right and plummet upside-down, nose first, towards the ground. Many people witnessed the subsequent enormous explosion and fireball. Val McClatchey photographed the mushroom cloud.

7) Hundreds of first responders (mostly volunteer firefighters) and crime scene investigators were quickly on the scene. They saw human remains, aircraft wreckage, personal effects, jet fuel, etc.
The cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder were recovered and had usable data, all of which is consistent with the other evidence.

8) The remains of every victim was positively identified. Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller personally collected many remains and made 12 identifications through fingerprints and dental records. Personal effects of most passengers and crew were recovered and returned to their families.

9) Hijacker identification documents and personal effects were recovered, along with the remains of four people identified as the hijackers through the process of elimination.

10) Nearly all of the aircraft was recovered by professional investigators and by civilians. The debris was returned to United Airlines after being examined for evidence of explosives use.

Red, please give your counterarguments to these points.
 
I don't see evidence of 95% of Flight 93 on this gravy list.


So, are you accusing the FBI and United Airlines of complicity in your imaginary conspiracy?

Please tell us how this crash was handled differently from other crashes. What normally happens to the debris?
 
It's amusing that you didn't even pretend to read anything. Times are tough for you liars, but then your brain-dead movement is truly evil.

I think you're part of an evil movement. If you defend those who would deceive and resist cooperation, I think that's evil. You are a leading voice here that supports a destructive and complicit administration who has done nothing to find out how 9/11 could ever have happened. You are a card carrying member of that which you codemn, an evil movement.

This is really just a test.
 
I think you're part of an evil movement. If you defend those who would deceive and resist cooperation, I think that's evil. You are a leading voice here that supports a destructive and complicit administration who has done nothing to find out how 9/11 could ever have happened. You are a card carrying member of that which you codemn, an evil movement.

This is really just a test.


A massive, multi-agency investigation that included 7,000 agents from the FBI alone found out exactly how the jihadist attacks of 9/11/01 succeeded. Are you accusing the FBI of being complicit in your imaginary conspiracy? Tell us why the airlines were complicit in a plot that almost bankrupted them. Why do the jihadists continue to crow about their victory?

Care to try your hand at the dreaded Osama Conundrum (just kidding, of course)?
Incidentally, why wouldn't you even dream of attempting to resolve the Osama Conundrum?
 
A massive, multi-agency investigation that included 7,000 agents from the FBI alone found out exactly how the jihadist attacks of 9/11/01 succeeded. Are you accusing the FBI of being complicit in your imaginary conspiracy? Tell us why the arilines were complicit in a plot that almost bankrupted them. Why do the jihadists continue to crow about their victory?

Care to try your hand at the dreaded Osama Conundrum (just kidding, of course)?
Incidentally, why wouldn't you even dream of attempting to resolve the Osama Conundrum?

Ron, you really need to focus. I don't know what the hell an Osama conundrum is.
 

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