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jimbob said:
Is that within school grounds or outside? In the UK that would be outside. The local primary school has a wall (it's about 3' high) but it still is the boundary. You don't want kids running into the road from the playground.

Also do you have any idea what proportion of statistics such similar scenarios include?
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I see that my example flew a mile above your head.
 
IanS said:
Unfortunately I think several UK posters here may have seriously mislead you about how many UK homes have any such guns.
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Neither your personal incredulity nor the fact that you haven't had people come up to you at random to tell you about the guns they own trumps the official figures for gun ownership and licensing in the UK as given in the tread dedicated to the subject.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
flew over the school as well.
It's still an example of the over availability of guns though.
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That's totally true.
But considering an all-out gun ban is so unlikely as to be irrelevant as a proposed response to events such as the florida shooting, some would consider it worthwhile to discuss and propose measures specifically aimed combating shootings like the one we're discussing, and not just violence generally.
 
Pterodactyl said:
That's totally true.
But considering an all-out gun ban is so unlikely as to be irrelevant as a proposed response to events such as the florida shooting, some would consider it worthwhile to discuss and propose measures specifically aimed combating shootings like the one we're discussing, and not just violence generally.
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Have the courtesy to read the thread before you blunder in with a massive straw-man like this. No-one is proposing an all-out gun ban. Not sure that such a thing exists anywhere on earth, so it's unlikely anyone would think it a feasible next step for the civilised country with the slackest guns laws.
 
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A gun ban and a widespread involuntary confiscation scheme might be absolutely necessary for America to match the UK in gun homicides.
 
MikeG said:
Have the courtesy to read the thread before you blunder in with a massive straw-man like this. No-one is proposing an all-out gun ban. Not sure that such a thing exists anywhere on earth, so it's unlikely anyone would think it a feasible next step for the civilised country with the slackest guns laws.
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I did read the thread, including the most relevant last few posts (which you might consider reading again) ...which is why I very specifically said we need to focus on the specific types of guns and violence we're trying to stop, and not generalize to all guns and all types of violence.

I was responding to a post criticizing "gun availability" in general terms, as that is a waste of time arguing since it won't/can't likely be changed very much.
 
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Pterodactyl said:
Which of the following should be described as a "school shooting" ?

A non-student shoots another non-student across the street from a school.

A student shoots a non-student across the street from a school.

A non-student shoots another non-student in the school parking lot.

A non-student commits suicide in an unoccupied school.

A non-student commits suicide in an occupied school.

A non-student fires a round at an unoccupied school building during Christmas break.
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A school shooting should be a shooting occurring at, in or into a school's boundaries, a shooting based on something happening at a school but the shooting occurs off school property, a shooting specifically on a school transport vehicle.
 
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crescent said:
Are we only counting mass shootings at schools as school shootings?

Do we get to ignore mass shootings that don't occur at schools?
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As to line one, pretty obviously no - one is, 20 are, ad inf.!!!!

As to line two, I am not even sure why that is a question... but, no, of course they are counted/count!! They do, though, not draw quite as much attention unless they are a rather high count!!
 
Aridas said:
Hmm? What's wrong with what they said? Other than the fact that they're openly claiming that they had been engaging in crony capitalism until Delta slighted the NRA, which would seem to spur a somewhat different response.
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One showing that they are really cronies with the NRA. (Or should that be "beholden to"?)

Also, it might be worth emphasizing a quiet point there. It wasn't just the one who openly threatened Delta in play or even leading the pack. It was the whole group of Republicans engaging in this reprehensible behavior.
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I'm not sure who ever thought any differently. It took Republicans in both houses of the Georgia General Assembly to pass the bill. The Lt. Gov. couldn't have done it without them.
 
Pterodactyl said:
I did read the thread, including the most relevant last few posts (which you might consider reading again) ...which is why I very specifically said we need to focus on the specific types of guns and violence we're trying to stop, and not generalize to all guns and all types of violence..........
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No, you very specifically said "considering an all-out gun-ban". It's only a few posts up the page, in case you want to check. People can actually see what you wrote, you know.
 
MikeG said:
No, you very specifically said "considering an all-out gun-ban". It's only a few posts up the page, in case you want to check. People can actually see what you wrote, you know.
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You're embarrassing yourself.
 
MikeG said:
Not in the slightest. It wasn't me who raised an all out gun ban. That was you. Now that's embarrassing.
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The point I was making shouldn't be that difficult to comprehend. If you missed it, no biggie. The posts are there for everyone to read. If you feel you've added something valuable to this conversation by attempting to turn my argument into something it never was, then good work. See you next topic.
 
William Parcher said:
For example...

An old homeless couple are stumbling down a sidewalk at midnight pushing their meager belongings in shopping carts. They are drunk as can be and arguing about meaningless crap. Eventually they are walking past a grade school. The old lady finally has had enough of her bum husband and pulls out a gun and blasts him. He falls dead on the sidewalk outside of the school. Nobody knows that it happened and he is discovered the next morning.

This is a school shooting and is to be classified as a school shooting. It shall appear on all lists of school shootings.
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Eh? That was outside a school and is not a school shooting. Not sure if you are being serious or not.
 
MikeG said:
No, you very specifically said "considering an all-out gun-ban". It's only a few posts up the page, in case you want to check. People can actually see what you wrote, you know.
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Wait, I think there might be some UK English to US English language barrier going on here.

By "considering" I meant "taking for granted that"....

To clarify my argument, the statement made was:

Gun availability generally, is a problem.

I agree with that point, but since, or "considering" that an all out ban isn't possible to curb gun violence generally, we have to look practically at specific types of regulations if we reasonably expect some action on curbing shootings of the type we're discussing.

Does that make sense?
 
Pterodactyl said:
Wait, I think there might be some UK English to US English language barrier going on here.

By "considering" I meant "taking for granted that"....

To clarify my argument, the statement made was:

Gun availability generally, is a problem.

I agree with that point, but since, or "considering" that an all out ban isn't possible to curb gun violence generally, we have to look practically at specific types of regulations if we reasonably expect some action on curbing shootings of the type we're discussing.

Does that make sense?
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Sounds fair enough to me. Apologies.......I've been around long enough that I should have picked up on it anyway.
 
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