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So then Delta's support of the NRA never really meant much as a perk for members. Their abandonment of the NRA wasn't even slightly harmful to members.
 
So is it all symbolic then, or did no one actually know how few people were involved with the discounted fares?
 
LTC8K6 said:
Just someone who hasn't seen many rifle wounds, imo.

Not many higher power handgun wounds either, I guess.

Rifles are seldom used in crimes.
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This is a reasonable point. Even if we eliminate all rifles and thereby eliminate all school shootings (exceptions notwithstanding) it would make barely a dent in gun related murders.

I'm not offering a better solution, I'm afraid. It's simply worth pointing out that we're focused on a small number of deaths that get great attention.
 
phiwum said:
This is a reasonable point. Even if we eliminate all rifles and thereby eliminate all school shootings (exceptions notwithstanding) it would make barely a dent in gun related murders.

I'm not offering a better solution, I'm afraid. It's simply worth pointing out that we're focused on a small number of deaths that get great attention.
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I think handguns are even more often used in school shootings than rifles.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
The Central Michigan University is the 20th school shooting of 2018.
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Well, kinda. There's some dispute over that count. It isn't clear that it should be a school shooting if, for instance, no kids are present. Forget exactly where I read an article about that statistic, but it was likely the Post.
 
So a shooting in a school isn't a school shooting?

That there are so many it can be sub-divided is disturbing.
 
Why the NRA doesn’t much care if businesses spurn them

Washington Post said:
...Despite that unprecedented pressure from corporate America, the NRA is unlikely to lose a significant number of members or see its influence diminished, according to those who have studied the organization. Supporters and critics say the NRA is cushioned against this kind of pushback because its members sign up not for financial gain but for a chance to be part of a cultural vanguard.

“Nobody’s joining NRA to get a discount at Hertz,” said Richard Feldman, a former NRA lobbyist who is president of the Independent Firearm Owners Association. “Joining NRA is like making a religious commitment; it’s a statement about where you stand not just on guns, but on one view of what it means to be an American. It’s a powerful symbolic move.”...
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...871a9a-1d84-11e8-b2d9-08e748f892c0_story.html
 
Captain_Swoop said:
So a shooting in a school isn't a school shooting?

That there are so many it can be sub-divided is disturbing.
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It did happen at a university. A student's parents came to pick him up for spring break. He shot both of them dead in his dorm room and then fled. His father was a police officer.

It seems different than somebody shooting students and/or faculty.
 
Pterodactyl said:
I think handguns are even more often used in school shootings than rifles.
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I don't know about school shootings, but eight of the last ten mass shootings involved AR-15 rifles, clones or copies. Going further back those were less popular for mass shootings, but they are used more and more often as time passes.

I do focus on all gun deaths. Universal background checks and red flag holds two issues currently being discussed that would have a much greater impact on "regular" gun murders than they would on mass shootings. Allowing an electronic searchable database to track guns would also help, instead of the paper mess ATF is currently limited to. Limiting the number of guns purchased at once might reduce straw purchasing:
After dating for a few months, he asked her to buy guns for him. He drove her to the store in his Cadillac Escalade three times in 18 days to buy Brycos for him, she told us.48 The first time, she bought 11 guns; eight days later, she bought 14 guns; and 10 days after that, she bought six guns, according to her indictment.49
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Another straw we interviewed was a junior in college when she bought 26 guns from the same Ohio gun store during two visits in 2002.51 On her first visit, she bought nine guns from the store, five of which were the same model, a Jennings 9mm, according to her indictment.52 Ten days later, she and the trafficker returned to the same store and bought 17 more guns, including 15 more Jennings 9mms.
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Then again, I also give thought to potential gun deaths - and the fact that we have militia types arming themselves in expectation of a need to go to war with the government is very worrying. Few deaths from those types of people yet, but there is potential for that to change in a worrisome way. They like the guns that look more military like, specifically focusing on weapons that use the ammo types most commonly used the military, so that in the event of war, they can use ammo captured from the military, or be resupplied by the military, depending on the scenario. They already took action against the government at Bunkerville and Malheur - only one casualty total, but still worrisome that some now think it is acceptable and necessary to brandish guns in order to successfully defy our own government.

I don't support confiscation of existing weapons - but if we were to confiscate the military-ish weapons from the militia and members of other organized groups, I sure wouldn't shed any tears, either.
 
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Pterodactyl said:
Is abandoning/ignoring nuance a personality trait or just something employed when convenient for the sake of argument?
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What nuance?
there was a kid shot himself in the rest room. That involved only a student, it's classed as a school shooting.
there was a teacher barricaded himself in a classroom and fired his gun and never even shot anyone, that's being classed as a school shooting.

In this case a student kills two people in a dorm block and I have to be 'nuanced'?

I don't get it.
 
Checkmite said:
Dividing your question into two parts:

No, I have not noticed that in the wake of a shooting we "hear a lot" about a certain weapon - at least, not any more than usual. Both handguns and AR-15s in particular have been controversial for more than a decade now.

And no, we do not pass laws making that weapon harder to get or illegal; it's been a long, long, very long time, and many school shootings, since any restrictive gun laws have been passed. In fact our Congress - again, for over a decade - has pointedly refused to pass any more restrictive gun legislation; and at the state level it's nothing doing either, except for the exact opposite - taking the teeth out of existing gun legislation.
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We do, often, hear or read about badly misidentified weapons. I know non- gun persons consider this to be unimportant, but in reality it is very informative to the persons who know guns/projectile firers with grooved barrels.
 
Pterodactyl said:
Is abandoning/ignoring nuance a personality trait or just something employed when convenient for the sake of argument?
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Are we only counting mass shootings at schools as school shootings?

Do we get to ignore mass shootings that don't occur at schools?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
What nuance?
there was a kid shot himself in the rest room. That involved only a student, it's classed as a school shooting.
there was a teacher barricaded himself in a classroom and fired his gun and never even shot anyone, that's being classed as a school shooting.

In this case a student kills two people in a dorm block and I have to be 'nuanced'?

I don't get it.
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Ok, if you feel compelled to change the specific term "parents" to the more general term "people" so as to make it more appropriate to the definition you wish to bestow upon it, you're willfully abandoning nuance.
 
Does it matter who they were?

A student used a gun to murder two people in a school.
 
crescent said:
...Then again, I also give thought to potential gun deaths - and the fact that we have militia types arming themselves in expectation of a need to go to war with the government is very worrying. Few deaths from those types of people yet, but there is potential for that to change in a worrisome way. They like the guns that look more military like, specifically focusing on weapons that use the ammo types most commonly used the military, so that in the event of war, they can use ammo captured from the military, or be resupplied by the military, depending on the scenario. They already took action against the government at Bunkerville and Malheur - only one casualty total, but still worrisome that some now think it is acceptable and necessary to brandish guns in order to successfully defy our own government.

I don't support confiscation of existing weapons - but if we were to confiscate the military-ish weapons from the militia and members of other organized groups, I sure wouldn't shed any tears, either.
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These types baffle me the most. Have they not gotten a gander at the US Military in the last century? What level of delusion are they under to think that armed conflict with the most powerful armed forces the world has ever seen would be feasible?
 
crescent said:
Are we only counting mass shootings at schools as school shootings?

Do we get to ignore mass shootings that don't occur at schools?
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I think it would be most helpful to categorize shootings in a number of different ways for the sake of clear analysis.
 
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