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pgwenthold said:
The part that is confusing me is, why in the hell are Enterprise, Wyndham, Hertz, Best Western, etc giving discounts to NRA members in the first *********** place?

Why should the NRA get special treatment?

I also heard that airlines are ending their special group deals for NRA events.

My wife is a vet. Airlines don't give group discounts to AVMA members for travel to AVMA events (hotels do, in convention cities, but they do with all conventions).

Since when do public advocacy organization members get business discounts? Other than the AARP, that is.
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They like gun owners and they want to encourage them to use their products and services and they like the money that gun owners have. They especially like gun owners who are members of the NRA and like the idea of people joining the NRA to take advantage of discounts and such.
 
William Parcher said:
You better come back to reality and consider backlash and backfire.

ABC News suddenly decides to show the real thing. Photos and video shows uncensored bloody gore on network television. We see lungs, brains, livers and eyeballs all in a wet blood mess. These are victims of gun violence...... The following day every single advertiser cancels their contract with ABC. Within days they are permanently off the air and bankrupt.

Hello reality.
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Unless it's the family opting for an open casket it's not fair to put a family through that kind of trauma. I would like to see a brave family do it, but I realize how hard that would be.
 
The next battleground: Victims of gun violence can't sue gun manufacturers and dealers for negligence or other misconduct, as they could regarding any other product. That's entirely the result of a 2005 federal law.
Under centuries-old theories of liability, you should be allowed to sue both the manufacturer and the dealer for torts like negligence and public nuisance. You could then use that money to pay your medical bills. If you are hurt by a car or a prescription drug, after all, you are typically allowed to sue for damages. But thanks to a law called the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, you have no legal remedy if you are hurt by a gun.
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Repeal, anyone?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ustry_is_the_only_way_to_make_victims_of.html
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Unless it's the family opting for an open casket it's not fair to put a family through that kind of trauma. I would like to see a brave family do it, but I realize how hard that would be.
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Mainstream media will not show uncensored violence gore because it will put them out of business immediately.
 
Civet said:
I think that law only covers criminal misuse, yes? Like they're still liable for defective design and manufacture.
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Probably, if the thing blows up in your hands. But the point is that in other product areas, victims are allowed to make a case to juries that the manufacturer, dealer etc. allowed the product to be sold to someone who shouldn't have it, or failed to instruct/warn the user properly etc. Guns alone are exempt from the laws that apply to everything else. One argument is that a high percentage of guns used by criminals have been sold by a small number of dealers, and the manufacturers should have taken an interest in why some guys are selling so many more guns than everybody else.
 
Nessie said:
http://nation.time.com/2013/09/16/ready-fire-aim-the-science-behind-police-shooting-bystanders/

"According to a 2008 RAND Corporation study evaluating the New York Police Department’s firearm training, between 1998 and 2006, the average hit rate during gunfights was just 18 percent. When suspects did not return fire, police officers hit their targets 30 percent of the time."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/weekinreview/09baker.html

"In Los Angeles, where there are far fewer shots discharged, the police fired 67 times in 2006 and had 27 hits, a 40 percent hit rate, which, while better than New York’s, still shows that they miss targets more often they hit them."

Teachers will or will not be better shots than police officers? Is it possible the best tactic is to do everything to hide or escape, rather than engage?
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With adrenaline pumping and some confusion hitting a moving target that is shooting back is not easy.
You can be brilliant on the range but action shooting is different, especially when it is for real and not at paper targets and there is a chance you are going to die yourself.
 
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Trump tweets
Armed Educators (and trusted people who work within a school) love our students and will protect them. Very smart people. Must be firearms adept & have annual training. Should get yearly bonus. Shootings will not happen again - a big & very inexpensive deterrent. Up to States.
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Shootings will not happen again? is he serious? smart people?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Giving a gun to any of the teachers I had is a frightening thought.
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I can see the teachers I had who would rush to volunteer to be armed on campus. They are the last ones you'd want to be armed at all, let alone in a crisis.
 
Love is the solution. Love the children (in a gun-oriented sort of way) and everything will be OK.

Trump said:
And, if they know bad things happen to them once they get into that school by people that love:heart3: the children -- see, a security guard doesn't know the children, doesn't love:heart3: the children. This man standing outside of the school the other day doesn't love:heart3: the children, probably doesn't know the children.

The teachers love:heart3: their children. They love:heart3: their pupils. They love:heart3: their students. They're doing it also from love:heart3:.
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Jesus wept.
 
William Parcher said:
They like gun owners and they want to encourage them to use their products and services and they like the money that gun owners have. They especially like gun owners who are members of the NRA and like the idea of people joining the NRA to take advantage of discounts and such.
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But why do they like "gun owners" and not everyone else? Why do they like gun owners more than they like veterinarians?

Why can't AVMA members get a discount, too?
 
pgwenthold said:
But why do they like "gun owners" and not everyone else? Why do they like gun owners more than they like veterinarians?

Why can't AVMA members get a discount, too?
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They probably could. I'm just about the farthest thing possible from a fan of the NRA but these discounts aren't unique. Discounts can be negotiated by pretty much any organization. It's pretty much just a matter of having someone from the organization going to the businesses and getting them. That said, it will mean advertising the businesses along with the discounts to members, and some organizations might balk at that.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
With adrenaline pumping and some confusion hitting a moving target that is shooting back is not easy.
You can be brilliant on the range but action shooting is different, especially when it is for real and not at paper targets and there is a chance you are going to die yourself.
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And you know that the shooter outguns you so you might be able to hit them at a classroom length, whilst they could easily hit you from the other end of the building.
 
baron said:
Just listened for the second time to Trump's speech about how it would be so great for teachers to carry guns in the classroom.

"If [the Florida gunman] thought that other people would be shooting bullets back at him, he wouldn’t have gone there. A teacher would have shot the hell out of him before he ever knew what happened."

Aside from the horrific immaturity of the statement, and the inanity of the scenarios it implies, it makes no sense. Surely every school shooter realises that at some point armed police will turn up and start shooting at him. So if the certainty of armed response doesn't put them off, how would the possibility of armed response?
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Not to mention the fact that a large portion of school shooters, and mass shooters in general, fully intend to either be killed or commit suicide at the conclusion of their rampage.
 
IMO one of the biggest problems with arming teachers, particularly minority teachers, is that a lot of teachers are going to end up being killed on the way to and from school during traffic stops.
 
Checkmite said:
Not to mention the fact that a large portion of school shooters, and mass shooters in general, fully intend to either be killed or commit suicide at the conclusion of their rampage.
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It seems that Cruz may have intended to hang around until he was arrested. He made no effort to conceal his identity. He had more guns back at home but who knows if he would have used them.
 
William Parcher said:
Mainstream media will not show uncensored violence gore because it will put them out of business immediately.
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You mean like the time TIME magazine published photos of Emmett Till's bloody corpse and went out of business?

It's funny, it seems more as if they got a Pulitzer Prize for it.
 
Checkmite said:
IMO one of the biggest problems with arming teachers, particularly minority teachers, is that a lot of teachers are going to end up being killed on the way to and from school during traffic stops.
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That's solved if the guns stay at work and don't ever leave the school property.

I'm not recommending arming teachers.
 
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