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3point14 said:
I don't think it would have the slightest effect on the nutters that do the shooting. I think it may have a massive effect on those who are on the fence or even somewhat opposed to firearms regulation to see what a file bullet actually does to a child.
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There are similar tactics used in other realms and you could evaluate those to see the effect on society.

The anti-abortion crowd will often use photos of bloody and chopped up (aborted) fetuses to create shock and cause people to oppose abortion.

The PETA and animal rights, vegan, etc. crowd will often use photos of animal cruelty and bloody gore to create shock and cause people to motivate towards total non-harm of animals and vegetarianism.
 
After Sandy Hook, I don't remember seeing anything like the number of school walkouts and marches that are now being organized.

Organizers of the Women's March are organizing school walkouts nationwide for March 14.

March for Our Lives is holding nationwide marches and rallies on March 24 - my family and I will be attending the one here in Denver.

Another nationwide school walkout on April 20, the anniversary of the Columbine shooting.

The aforementioned reduction in corporate sponsorship of the NRA.

The NRA has been especially tone deaf this time around. Letting Loesch and Lapierre do the talking was probably foolish. They have better spokespeople but they didn't use them.

The town hall meeting had a big impact. I don't remember seeing anything have an impact like that after any of the other shootings.

I am feeling more confident than ever that some sort of meaningful change might happen, or at least we can stop the slide of reductions in regulation that has been occuring in many states and at the Federal level.
 
William Parcher said:
There are similar tactics used in other realms and you could evaluate those to see the effect on society.

The anti-abortion crowd will often use photos of bloody and chopped up (aborted) fetuses to create shock and cause people to oppose abortion.

The PETA and animal rights, vegan, etc. crowd will often use photos of animal cruelty and bloody gore to create shock and cause people to motivate towards total non-harm of animals and vegetarianism.
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I really don't think they're actual parallels at all. What you're discussing there is propaganda and publicity. I'm simply talking about news reporting.
 
3point14 said:
Why don't you want them? Does it make you uncomfortable?
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I wasn't being sarcastic.

I think it would be very important to show the difference between a wound from a semi-automatic rifle and a handgun to as many people as possible.

And hell yeah it will make me uncomfortable, but that is my problem.
 
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3point14 said:
I really don't think they're actual parallels at all. What you're discussing there is propaganda and publicity. I'm simply talking about news reporting.
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I'm talking about showing the public photos of bloody gore. Intestines splayed out on the floor. Eyeballs hanging out of an exploded skull.

What are you thinking about showing to the public?
 
William Parcher said:
I'm talking about showing the public photos of bloody gore. Intestines splayed out on the floor. Eyeballs hanging out of an exploded skull.

What are you thinking about showing to the public?
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I'm talking about journalists reporting accurately on current events.
 
Darat said:
Hasn't that always happened? My infant and junior school segregated us based on age and gender, infants and girls had one playground*, 1st to 3rd year juniors had another and finally the 4th and 5th years had another. We also had different dinner times, cloakrooms and toilets.


*playground in this context meant the tarmac or concrete patches around the school building. Broken bones and heads smashed into concrete along with full thickness skin scrapes were considered character building not a health and safety issue.
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Well, it wasn't my concern anyway, I was just answering someone elses question, but, my first and middle had two seperate playgrounds but in the summer months children from all years played on the sportsfield which connected them. Lunches were mixed with older kids at the head of the table and a couple of kids from each of the younger years. In those days our school meals weren't 'cafeteria style', each table had the food brought out by the kitchen staff in large containers and the two kids at the head of the table dished it out to everyone. The school itself was open plan (which looking back was a really strange choice, but hey it was the seventies) and had a daily all school assembly so there was quite a lot of contact between the age groups. Plus we'd walk or push bike to and from school, unaccompanied from a fairly young age, so you'd often wind up with the other kid(s) that were along the same route even if they were older or younger than you. I don't know how that compares to today as I don't have kids or any other contact with schools.
 
William Parcher said:
I'm talking about showing the public photos of bloody gore. Intestines splayed out on the floor. Eyeballs hanging out of an exploded skull.

What are you thinking about showing to the public?
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It might have the same impact that Emmett Till's open casket funeral had.

He was beaten to death by KKK members. His mother held an open casket funeral so people could see the full extent of Klan brutality, she encouraged press to take, publish and distribute photos. It had a huge impact.
 
crescent said:
The NRA has been especially tone deaf this time around. Letting Loesch and Lapierre do the talking was probably foolish. They have better spokespeople but they didn't use them.
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Let's hope they keep it up. Never interrupt the enemy when they're making a mistake.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Wouldn't the kid in hospital who sheltered his schoolmates and got shot multiple times be a better recipient of a 'Courage Under Fire Award'?
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I think in this context "under fire" means "facing criticism from people the NRA don't like".

You know, like "snowflake" means "anyone else complaining".
 
William Parcher said:
Oh. I thought the current topic here was about showing uncensored photos of shooting victims. My bad.
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Yes. That, in the context of a news report is what's called journalism. When an event is current, one shows things about that event on the TV. I'm sure you've noticed. They call it a news cycle.
 
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3point14 said:
Yes. That, in the context of a news report is what's called journalism. When an event is current, one shows things about that event on the TV. I'm sure you've noticed. They call it a news cycle.
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You better come back to reality and consider backlash and backfire.

ABC News suddenly decides to show the real thing. Photos and video shows uncensored bloody gore on network television. We see lungs, brains, livers and eyeballs all in a wet blood mess. These are victims of gun violence...... The following day every single advertiser cancels their contract with ABC. Within days they are permanently off the air and bankrupt.

Hello reality.
 
crescent said:
After some of the previous mass shootings they kept LaPierre muzzled for a few months. The timing of this year's CPAC made that impossible.
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I haven't seen any reporting about attendance to the NRA talk during CPAC. It would be useful to know how many congress critters who were there last year had "schedule conflicts" this year.
 
Just listened for the second time to Trump's speech about how it would be so great for teachers to carry guns in the classroom.

"If [the Florida gunman] thought that other people would be shooting bullets back at him, he wouldn’t have gone there. A teacher would have shot the hell out of him before he ever knew what happened."

Aside from the horrific immaturity of the statement, and the inanity of the scenarios it implies, it makes no sense. Surely every school shooter realises that at some point armed police will turn up and start shooting at him. So if the certainty of armed response doesn't put them off, how would the possibility of armed response?
 
MikeG said:
My understanding is that those pulling out are all donors. I could be wrong. Donors in the sense that they offer benefits to the society and its members.
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Understood. When I was referring to donors I meant the companies and wealthy individuals who actually write large checks to the NRA on a regular basis. Those guys start bailing and hit hurts the NRA in ways that matter. I haven't seen that happening yet.
 
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