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arthwollipot said:
William Parcher's statement, to which I was responding, did not specify when or how the sword was carried. He said that If you carry a sword, unqualified, then you are mentally ill. "No question". He was very clearly implying that all people who carry swords, at any time, for any reason, have a mental illness. Even if that's not what he meant, it's what he wrote.

I am willing to accept the statement as mere hyperbole so long as he acknowledges that fact. I'm not naive enough to expect an apology.
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That's a pile of bullcrap. You took my statement out of context on purpose.

I suspect that you are a person who carries a sword on occasion for role-playing special events. That has no relation to mental illness and it has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Your approach to clarification is ridiculous. I mean, you would have me declaring actors in films who are carrying swords to be mentally ill. The actor is a person who is mentally ill in real life.

A complete waste of time to ask me if that's what I meant. And you didn't even ask - you just stated that that's what I meant.
 
Pterodactyl said:
Who are you to decide what is a constructive use of time for others?

Actually, wing shooting is a highly challenging sport and takes a lot of practice to attain competency. Somehow, as a wing shooter myself, I have managed to learn to also play a musical instrument and found the time to earn an advance degree. So participating has not inhibited my ability to do these other things you feel are constructive.

Wild rabbit tastes quite a bit better than farmed, as do grouse, wild turkey and pheasant. Also, hunting is an environmentally sound practice, unlike most industrial meat farming operations.
Further, my children who also participate, have a greater understanding of where their food comes from, and that meat doesn't just arrive on the supermarket shelves without some sacrifice. This is the most important part IMO.

As for this derail, do you have any evidence that shotgunners/wingshooters have participated in or that the sport has caused mass shootings like we're supposed to be talking about here?
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It's not not my "derail" (if it's a derail at all) - I was replying to someone on the previous page who remarked about a Youtube film of some UK shooter who was shooting game on farmland (I think that was what he was said to be doing). I was just making the point to him that I had already said in previous replies that you can of course get a UK license for a shotgun or certain types of rifle to shoot game animals on private farmland, but as far as the US spree shootings like the recent Florida shooting are concerned, I was making the point that the weapons used are not usually shotguns or the sort of rifles allowed in the UK, but mostly guns that would certainly be illegal here (UK) for private citizens to keep in their own home where they could if they wished just go out on to the street and kill large numbers of people!

However, as far as your qualifications and skills are concerned - there are lots of people here with degrees and PhD's, but instead of spending your time shooting animals, you could always be spending that same time in much better more educational or useful pursuits rather than learning yourself and teaching kids how to kill defenceless animals as a hobby!

And finally - we were not talking about "wing shooters or shotgunners" shooting people dead in US schools. I did not say that, and I do not think anyone else here has said that. But the problem is, to state the bleedxxg obvious - if you keep a selection of such guns in private homes, then you are certainly amongst a group in society who in the US at least, have the option of taking your loaded guns out on to the streets and killing people for whatever imagined wrong you think they have done to you ... but that would not be an option open to you if you did not have those loaded guns in your house.
 
arthwollipot said:
Do CCW permit holders carry around a firearm in daily public life, or is it an accessory for special occasions or special events?
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Depends on the person. For some the hassle of it proves to be too much, but many carry every day. That is why they forget them in bathrooms, leave them in their purses, forget which closet has guns in it and so on.
 
Cruz and his younger brother stand to inherit about $800,000 from the estate of their mother who died in November.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Guess his brother is pretty well sorted.
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His brother was involuntarily taken to a psychiatric hospital after the shooting. The specific reason has not been reported.

Police had not only visited the house many times for Nikolas. They had also visited because his brother was trouble too.
 
IanS said:
OK, well ... from your examples - the guns held at clubs (can you take them home?), the shooting at birds and game on private farmland, and the target shooting are all things that I covered above saying that afaik you can sill get a license for that, although I expect even that is much more difficult now than it was before things like Hungerfod and Dunblane ...

... as for your Lee Enfield (is that an ancient army rifle?) which you used at "vintage military competitions", that too was presumably target shooting or military re-enacments and such-like. Although even there, I'd be surprised if you are now in 2018 still able to get a license to keep a rifle like that and bullets in your own home, such that you could if you wished just walk out into the street and start killing people ... because that is the exactly the sort of thing that the laws were changed to stop after Hungerford and Dunblane ...

... but afaik the picture I presented of the lack of firearms in almost any normal UK home is true - you certainly will almost never find anyone with legally owned guns in their house (except for farmers, and maybe people who have a licences to shoot game). And you certainly cannot get a license now by saying you need it for such things as self protection or by saying you "need" it to enjoy shooting animals and tin cans in your garden or in the local park.
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Yes you can still keep a Lee Enfield at home. One of my friends still has one. It's a 'sporterised' gun, re stocked with a hunting stock. They are popular because ammunition is relatively cheap and they have a ten round magazine.

You can keep any rifle you have certificate for at home.
Here you are a 22lr semi auto, it even looks like the dreaded AR-15

https://www.daileisure.co.uk/smith-wesson-performance-center-mandp-15-22-sport
 
ponderingturtle said:
On youtube there is a channel about british muzzleloaders though he also does a lot with cartridge rifles. He has videos on how he reloads his lee- Metford rifle at home. And his shooting videos seem to be in the countryside not a specific organized range.
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You can shoot on private land, it doesn't need to be at a range.
 
MikeG said:
If you buy game (pheasant, partridge, rabbit etc) in Waitrose, how do you think it got there?
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Your rabbit will be farmed and probably from Holland, not wild shot in the UK if you buy it in Waitrose.
 
IanS said:
Well the UK supermarkets do not rely on private citizens with guns who go out hobby shooting. So it certainly did not get there from UK gun enthusiasts!
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They do actually. If you go on a Shoot you are only allowed to usually take away a brace of birds, all the others go for sale to Game Dealers.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
They do actually. If you go on a Shoot you are only allowed to usually take away a brace of birds, all the others go for sale to Game Dealers.
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People would be amazed what is sourced in the UK, I know a guy who culls herd animals in safari parks, he sells UK sourced zebra meat.
 
Belz... said:
Do you have support for this claim? Some sort of study comparing Supreme court cases or discussions on the topic, perhaps?
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Why don't you check yourself?
In the entire 20th century there has been exactly one time (United States v. Miller 1939) where the Supreme Court dealt with a 2nd Amendment issue: it was about sawed-off shotguns, which by the court's ruling were not protected by the 2nd Amendment since they have no conceivable use in a militia.
That was the last gun case before the Supreme Court until Columbia vs. Heller.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Why don't you check yourself?
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Because I'm not making the claim and I don't know much about the USA's legal history, so I'm asking. Since you made the claim I assumed you knew more than me. It wasn't snarky.

In the entire 20th century there has been exactly one time (United States v. Miller 1939) where the Supreme Court dealt with a 2nd Amendment issue: it was about sawed-off shotguns, which by the court's ruling were not protected by the 2nd Amendment since they have no conceivable use in a militia.
That was the last gun case before the Supreme Court until Columbia vs. Heller.
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Ok thanks.
 
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