School shooting Florida

[lionking]

Assuming attempt at humour? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sadly, I doubt it.

 

[Octavo]

Assuming attempt at humour? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If you're not yet acquainted with Henri's body of work, the search function will help... As LK suggests, he's likely entirely serious.

 

[3point14]

Other who are willing to use vehicles, bombs and fire to kill are evidence that guns are not needed. It is the willingness to commit evil deeds and make others suffer that is the primary cause in my opinion.

Well, vehicles, at least, are acknowledged as potentially dangerous and are therefore required to be licensed, registered and insured.

 

[Checkmite]

The 22lr cartridge used in those rifles is lethal past 200 yards. The fortner action is fairly rapid for a bolt gun. A larger capacity mag (usual if 5 rounds) can be easily built for a biathlon rifle and a scope can be used. Don't underestimate how destructive a person can be if they put their mind to it even if they are limited to something much less powerful than a 5.56 nato round fired in a semi-auto rifle.

I get that; but it seems to me that a tremendous amount of the problem is that people have such unrestricted access to weapons that don't require any mind-to-it-putting in order to be immensely destructive. If what is now being said here is true and the ROF leader is completely fabricating his stories of this killer having gone on training situations with them, we have a situation where a person with an AR and no training whatsoever has killed 17 and injured more than a dozen. This guy didn't build special "high capacity mags" or other mods to make a normally low-powered weapon more lethal; the thing stock off the shelf is mass-murder in a box.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Assuming attempt at humour? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Can you imagine a country that would allow teachers to carry auto weapons to use on their students?

It may seem like humour but there are those that advocate arming the teachers.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The Florida shooting will bring changes:
for example, we can expect that pulling the fire alarm will become SOP for future killing sprees.

 

[MikeG]

........This guy didn't build special "high capacity mags" or other mods to make a normally low-powered weapon more lethal; the thing stock off the shelf is mass-murder in a box.

It won't come as a shock to anyone that something designed to kill humans has proven effective.

 

[MikeG]

The Florida shooting will bring changes:
for example, we can expect that pulling the fire alarm will become SOP for future killing sprees.

I predict it will also herald huge fences, armed guards at gates, and metal detectors at the entrance of all schools, helping to produce a nice warm welcoming atmosphere conducive to learning and the passing on of American values.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

It won't come as a shock to anyone that something designed to kill humans has proven effective.

Yes but you could bash someone with a rock so what's the point of regulating nuclear weapons?

Or something.

 

[lionking]

Yes but you could bash someone with a rock so what's the point of regulating nuclear weapons?

Or something.

Not to mention swimming pools.......

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I predict it will also herald huge fences, armed guards at gates, and metal detectors at the entrance of all schools, helping to produce a nice warm welcoming atmosphere conducive to learning and the passing on of American values.

I believe your prediction will prove correct. It's ironic that this "freedom" is looking more and more like distopian sci-fi.

 

[MikeG]

Well, vehicles, at least, are acknowledged as potentially dangerous and are therefore required to be licensed, registered and insured.

Not just that, but there are age limits before you are legally allowed to access them, tests of competence, and the threat of debarring if the bureaucracy isn't complied with. I don't hear huge tidal waves of anguish and protest at these restrictions of freedom.

It tickles me that a country bars young people from buying a beer at the same time as getting hot under the collar about any suggestion that youngsters be stopped from buying a semi-automatic assault rifle. When I say "it tickles me", what I really mean is it makes me feel nauseous.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I believe your prediction will prove correct. It's ironic that this "freedom" is looking more and more like distopian sci-fi.

But you still get to buy a semi auto at the corner store so it's all good.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I predict it will also herald huge fences, armed guards at gates, and metal detectors at the entrance of all schools, helping to produce a nice warm welcoming atmosphere conducive to learning and the passing on of American values.

This will be expensive.
Luckily, school budgets are overflowing, so it won't be a problem to cut some minor programs to pay for added protection.
Who needs maths anyways?

 

[arthwollipot]

Can you imagine a country that would allow teachers to carry auto weapons to use on their students?

It may seem like humour but there are those that advocate arming the teachers.

Heck, there are those that advocate arming the students.

 

[cullennz]

On the upside the US has made sure that no one can get their hands on dangerous Kinder eggs and their hasn't been a mass haggis killing spree in centuries

 

[Ambrosia]

Why do we desire to reduce suicides?

Basic human compassion?

Suicide is a permanent resolution to a temporary problem.

It causes a lot of other problems though for the people left behind. From the mental state of the person who discovers the scene, to the family and loved ones of the deceased now having to sort out that persons affairs and picking up the bills for funeral expenses etc.

There are almost always better options in life to sort out your problems than killing yourself.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Basic human compassion?
Suicide is a permanent resolution to a temporary problem.

It causes a lot of other problems though for the people left behind. From the mental state of the person who discovers the scene, to the family and loved ones of the deceased now having to sort out that persons affairs and picking up the bills for funeral expenses etc.

There are almost always better options in life to sort out your problems than killing yourself.

I think I may have identified a weak point in your plan...

 

[The Great Zaganza]

You don't need compassion in order to want to minimize the number of suicides in a society: premature death affects much more than the individual.
Even in a society in which suicide doesn't hold a stigma (like Japan), the understanding is that the suicidee will not leave people behind who depend on them.

 

[Ambrosia]

So not criminal then? Is recreational shooting a "very valid reason" to own a gun?

Just to point out that here in the UK that sport, work or leisure are all valid reasons for obtaining a firearms licence.

Of course what type of gun you can get hold of is restricted heavily and most of the UKs ~2million registered guns are rifles or shotguns. In a population of
~65million.