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So ALEC put together the model legislation for conservatives around the country.

Do Democrats have their model bill that can go up for a vote?
 
If I was dictator of the U.S. by now I would force gun owners to register their weapons and pass mental health/criminal history checks. Anyone who resists will be imprisoned for the day and given an ultimatum,...register or lose your weapon. Weapon smugglers will surely exist, but we can hand down severe punishments for illegal arms possession, thereby making it far more practical to just purchase and register your weapon.

I'd do it to show that in the end it's only cause I love my country and people don't know how good they have it until they have some perspective. It certainly wouldn't be close to the worse move in US history.
 
Ranb said:
http://biathloncanada.ca/
So where do these people fit in on your scale of "unnecessary to criminal"? Is sport or recreation a very valid reason?
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Unnecessary, as in not necessary. If people want to allow it then fine, but biathlons with guns are not essential.

I own a gun and I argue here on the pro-gun side usually, mainly because most proposed gun laws are stupid. I will still argue against laws that are stupid, but I've come to decide that our gun culture is stupid as well. No offense to anyone it's just the correct word for me to use.

That's the short version. My cousin wants my gun, so he can have it. My sister thinks her right to shoot in the quarry or wherever up in Oregon is important. I can't really justify it anymore. This wasn't an overnight thing - I've thought about this a lot over the past few years.

Doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly get behind all the gun laws if they're dumb, it's just how I feel about it now in general.

I will credit commenters from other countries, both on this forum and elsewhere, for helping me see it.

To be clear, I do not think owning a gun should be a right.
 
Checkmite said:
If the tiny tin-can-shooter .22's used for biathlon were the kinds of weapons people who "brag about their gun arsenal and the protection it provides" primarily owned, I have a feeling mass-casualty incidents like yesterday's would be a hell of a lot more rare.
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The 22lr cartridge used in those rifles is lethal past 200 yards. The fortner action is fairly rapid for a bolt gun. A larger capacity mag (usual if 5 rounds) can be easily built for a biathlon rifle and a scope can be used. Don't underestimate how destructive a person can be if they put their mind to it even if they are limited to something much less powerful than a 5.56 nato round fired in a semi-auto rifle.

If Cruz had waited until the student went outside, he could have picked them off with any decently accurate rifle. No need to go inside the school and bang away at close range.

Other who are willing to use vehicles, bombs and fire to kill are evidence that guns are not needed. It is the willingness to commit evil deeds and make others suffer that is the primary cause in my opinion.
 
Ranb of course there has to be intent and purpose for people to commit these acts. Of course mental health issues come into play. But guns are used on a regular basis to kill and maim many Americans. Cars, explosives and fire much less so. So yes, you need to tackle the issues of mental health, and take more notice of people reporting bad behaviour or posting threats on social media. But don't you need to look at the ease of accessing the primary device used for these kinds of attacks? I realise it is partly a cultural thing but when these kinds of attacks have happened in other Western countries part of the solution has been to change gun control laws and the frequency of our attacks has stayed well below the rate in the USA. Here in Scotland we had Dunblane in 1996. 22 years ago. We changed our laws and some hobbyist gun shooters were inconvenienced but guess what. No mass shootings in Scotland since then. Can the USA go 22 days without one? And is that rate of mass shootings a price worth paying so some people can target shoot or go hunting?
 
Travis said:
Welcome to America, 2018. A nation on the verge of going full deplorable.
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On the verge? Sorry, America passed that line after Sandy Hook.

Ranb said:
http://biathloncanada.ca/
So where do these people fit in on your scale of "unnecessary to criminal"? Is sport or recreation a very valid reason?
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I've previously pointed you to the Australian legislation where, yes, sport and hunting are both valid reasons to own a gun.
 
Ranb said:
http://biathloncanada.ca/
So where do these people fit in on your scale of "unnecessary to criminal"? Is sport or recreation a very valid reason?
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Those people (less than .00001% of our population) would fall under "the very valid reason" category and also require strict security checks to own their guns.
 
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arthwollipot said:
On the verge? Sorry, America passed that line after Sandy Hook.

I've previously pointed you to the Australian legislation where, yes, sport and hunting are both valid reasons to own a gun.
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I highly doubt anyone has been murdered with those guns as well.
 
Jimmy9 said:
With freedom comes sacrifice.
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What freedom?

Seriously, what freedom are we talking about here? The freedom to live without having your kids murdered would be quite high on my list of prioritised freedoms.
 
Could this one have been prevented?

The FBI Was Warned About A School Shooting Threat From A YouTube User Named Nikolas Cruz In September

Last fall, a Mississippi bail bondsman and frequent YouTube vlogger noticed an alarming comment left on one of his videos. "I'm going to be a professional school shooter," said a user named Nikolas Cruz.

The YouTuber, 36-year-old Ben Bennight, alerted the FBI, emailing a screenshot of the comment and calling the bureau's Mississippi field office. He also flagged the comment to YouTube, which removed it from the video.

Agents with the bureau's Mississippi field office got back to him "immediately," Bennight said, and conducted an in-person interview the following day, on Sept. 25.

"They came to my office the next morning and asked me if I knew anything about the person," Bennight told BuzzFeed News. "I didn't. They took a copy of the screenshot and that was the last I heard from them."
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CYA time? OTOH, how many comments like that are left on youtube every day and how many are serious? Go read the article. There's a lot more in the article I would quote, but out of respect for The Rules, you know.

It seems like they started out taking the threat seriously but gave up after doing a few database searches and coming up empty. Did they contact YouTube to see if they could identify the person corresponding to the account? Unclear.
 
A couple of random observations, apropos of nothing:

The murderer looks like Rorschach from Watchmen.

One student, David Hogg, probably has his career path set for him. He's going to be a great, serious journalist.

I saw one kid interviewed that night, then the next morning. He was wearing a different shirt the second day but instead of a t-shirt it was a white polo. I was suddenly struck that I thought he looked like Barron. I wonder if that was intentional.
 
Teachers and lecturers in America all need to be equipped with military style machine guns, even though it is not sane government. Trump needs to act decisively, instead of all his twittering and blah-blah about the matter. There are probably lots of former aggrieved pupils who have thought secretly, and not so secretly, about burning down their old schools. These people can be dangerous killers with guns in their hands. Australia seems to have the right idea after banning guns, and murders and suicides have gone down there.
 
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