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BobTheCoward said:
Here is another chart.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts


(chart 6 for reference)

If the US cut gun ownership by 80%, and still managed to be the worst nation on the chart (by only reducing gun deaths by 30%), I think that would still be viewed as a massive accomplishment and people would worry about cultural factors later.
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For the life of me I can't see why you wouldn't advocate precisely what you've you've just speculated about, given the obvious conclusions from the charts/ graphs you link to.
 
lionking said:
I'm absolutely certain that you know this, but the position of most people in other parts of the world is that you address mental health issues while at the same time put in place policies which keep deadly firearms highly restricted.
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Something that Obama implemented and Trump rescinded.
 
FBI was warned about alleged shooter nearly 5 months ago, tipster says

CNN said:
The FBI was warned in September about a possible school shooting threat from a YouTube user with the same name as the suspect in Wednesday's campus massacre in Parkland, Florida, according to a video blogger.

Ben Bennight, the 36-year-old YouTube video blogger from Mississippi, noticed in September an alarming comment on a video he'd posted. He told CNN he immediately contacted the FBI.

"Im going to be a professional school shooter," read the comment, left by a user with the name Nikolas Cruz, the same name of the suspected shooter who opened fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Wednesday, killing at least 17 people.

It was one of at least two alleged threat reports about the suspected shooter that the FBI received, according to a law enforcement official. In both cases, the FBI did not share the information with local law enforcement, the official said...
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http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/nikolas-cruz-fbi-warned/index.html
 
autumn1971 said:
What I got out of it was that a horrific atrocity resulted in Australians clamoring for control, while multiple slaughters in the US result in gun owners not only asserting that gun availability is not the problem, but that more guns might be the solution. We in the US have a pathetic, stunted, and toxic culture which enshrines vigilante justice and discounts the rule of law.
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Which I agree was the intended message and the way it should be taken. But look at the questions on a site like Quora regarding British gun laws in particular and the implication is almost always that our guns were taken away against our will, and (at the most extreme) that we're consequently at the mercy of our police and army, when the truth is that the laws were passed by our elected representatives (actually two governments from different parties) with overwhelming approval. I think it's an important distinction in order to prevent misrepresentation of the situation.
 
A derail into one particular member's flavour of Libertarianism has been split to here.
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Nessie said:
There is one solution, make guns inaccessible as possible for the wrong people. That is proven by other countries compared to the USA, which is an outlier in terms of lack of control of guns and the number of mass shootings and shootings of all kinds.
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The problem that rarely gets mentioned in these conversations is that the US is an outlier in another area, i.e. Police shootings and police brutality. As a group, the police, with their legal near immunity and lack of accountability, have shown themselves more irresponsibility and dangerous than individuals. Limiting access to guns would only serve to give the police more power to abuse and make them more dangerous.
 
I'm not sure the US police exercise restraint on the basis that they might experience armed blowback. I imagine the reverse is true.
 
Tony said:
The problem that rarely gets mentioned in these conversations is that the US is an outlier in another area, i.e. Police shootings and police brutality. As a group, the police, with their legal near immunity and lack of accountability, have shown themselves more irresponsibility and dangerous than individuals. Limiting access to guns would only serve to give the police more power to abuse and make them more dangerous.
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I think you might be slightly exaggerating there, though some do seem to be nasty pieces of work.

How exactly does having tighter gun controls around what sort of citizens can legally obtain guns give the police more power to abuse?
 
Tony said:
The problem that rarely gets mentioned in these conversations is that the US is an outlier in another area, i.e. Police shootings and police brutality. As a group, the police, with their legal near immunity and lack of accountability, have shown themselves more irresponsibility and dangerous than individuals. Limiting access to guns would only serve to give the police more power to abuse and make them more dangerous.
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I'm thinking it would have the opposite affect. Police would not be able to cry gun and shoot nearly as often if guns were no longer an every day thing.
 
cullennz said:
How exactly does having tighter gun controls around what sort of citizens can legally obtain guns give the police more power to abuse?
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I don't understand the question. How does it not give them more power?
 
kali1137 said:
I'm thinking it would have the opposite affect. Police would not be able to cry gun and shoot nearly as often if guns were no longer an every day thing.
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That's ridiculous. Guns would still be an everyday thing. The police would still have them. They could still plant them on people.
 
Tony said:
That's ridiculous. Guns would still be an everyday thing. The police would still have them. They could still plant them on people.
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The idea is to use registration and licensing to start reducing the supply moving into criminal circles.

As it stands, the prevalence of guns in the black market is incredibly damning of the poor state of regulation in the U.S. The great overwhelming majority of black market guns started out in legal hands.

So called "responsible" gun owners have done a terrible job of keeping guns away from criminals through poor security (allowing them to be stolen far too often and easily) and by opposition to background checks and registration that would severely reduce fraudulent transactions and straw purchases.
 
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