Mocking a survivor isn't bullying though. Oh no. No, no. No sirree. Especially if you are a presenter on a popular TV station, and your target is a child. That would just NEVER be bullying, and of course, your advertisers are just going to love you for it.
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Haven't seen anyone saying it isn't
Or what about the reverse.
Jack sees Jill about to walk through the school gate and he turns away from her, he passes her in a corridor and doesn't acknowledge her, in class there are two empty places one is next to Jill, Jack always chooses the one not next to Jill. At the end of the day at school Jill walks up to Jack smiling, Jack quickly turns around and rapidly walks away.
Is Jack bullying Jill by his ostracising of her?
The point is in this case pretty much everyone* is called Jack and some of them are also overtly abusing him
* I still haven't seen quotes saying he had all these friends you said he had
Edit: Sorry. Bullying him not abusing
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fagin
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Perhaps he didn't have many friends because he was a psycho nazi mass murdering type and not great friend material, except to other psycho nazi mass murdering types, of which there are hopefully not too many around.
To try and shift blame to other kids on the basis that if they had been nicer to him he wouldn't have been a psycho nazi mass murdering type is bordering on insane.
To try and shift blame to other kids on the basis that if they had been nicer to him he wouldn't have been a psycho nazi mass murdering type is bordering on insane.
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Your challenge that I responded to was: "Or, you are just trying to deflect from the fact that regardless of why, how, or if he was bullied, "He couldn't have killed seventeen people with a knife." If you meant at that high school, you should have said so.
But that's not important. I think the point you want to make is that it Parkland wouldn't have happened if Cruz was armed with a knife. I'll concede that it would be likely that he would be overpowered after stabbing a few students and the death toll wouldn't have reached seventeen. But if he had a machete I think it's believable.
Aridas
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And I quite disagree. There are many shapes bullying can take and they are certainly not all equally damaging by any measure. To pretend that they are all equally damaging is incredibly naive and ignorant, at very best. Nor, for that matter, is everything that is damaging necessarily bullying, as a side-note, as you should, in fact, be well aware. I shouldn't feel that I need to bring that up, but your argument seems to rest on twisting various concepts into somewhat nonsensical territory. A random driver accidentally running over someone's dog and killing them is certainly damaging, but isn't bullying by any reasonable stretch of the imagination. An unfriendly acquaintance intentionally running over someone's dog and killing them is certainly damaging, and could well be part of bullying, though not necessarily.
What I've said should have already made it rather clear, so this looks like nothing more than a cheap attempt to try to find something to twist in strange ways. I'll refrain from poking at the strange way that you formulated your question, though, beyond noting that it's quite the strange way to formulate it.
Here, though, wikipedia is ever a fine start to dealing with a topic.
Being ostracized is simply being excluded. Nothing about simply being ostracized says anything about why one is being excluded, which is essential to determining whether bullying is actually occurring. If it's being used as a method of coercion to abuse or intimidate another? Yeah, that's bullying. If the ostracized person made themselves so odious that groups of people just wanted to have nothing to do with the person? No, that's not bullying. Is it unpleasant and potentially damaging for the ostracized person in either case? Fairly certainly, but that has nothing to do with the issue at hand, which is whether it's bullying.
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When the kid being ostracised is exhibiting aggressive, anti-social, threatening or abusive behaviour, such that it is the cause of other kids not wanting to associate with him/her. That is not bullying.
Is there anyone you have ever avoided because they are just nasty people? You bully.
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You're wasting your time. (S)He's redefined the word bullying to meet his/her criteria so (s)he can have this deliberately confusing conversation. It's really not worth the effort.
I haven't shifted the blame onto anyone
Fair callAnd I quite disagree. There are many shapes bullying can take and they are certainly not all equally damaging by any measure. To pretend that they are all equally damaging is incredibly naive and ignorant, at very best. Nor, for that matter, is everything that is damaging necessarily bullying, as a side-note, as you should, in fact, be well aware. I shouldn't feel that I need to bring that up, but your argument seems to rest on twisting various concepts into somewhat nonsensical territory. A random driver accidentally running over someone's dog and killing them is certainly damaging, but isn't bullying by any reasonable stretch of the imagination. An unfriendly acquaintance intentionally running over someone's dog and killing them is certainly damaging, and could well be part of bullying, though not necessarily.
What I've said should have already made it rather clear, so this looks like nothing more than a cheap attempt to try to find something to twist in strange ways. I'll refrain from poking at the strange way that you formulated your question, though, beyond noting that it's quite the strange way to formulate it.
Here, though, wikipedia is ever a fine start to dealing with a topic.
Being ostracized is simply being excluded. Nothing about simply being ostracized says anything about why one is being excluded, which is essential to determining whether bullying is actually occurring. If it's being used as a method of coercion to abuse or intimidate another? Yeah, that's bullying. If the ostracized person made themselves so odious that groups of people just wanted to have nothing to do with the person? No, that's not bullying. Is it unpleasant and potentially damaging for the ostracized person in either case? Fairly certainly, but that has nothing to do with the issue at hand, which is whether it's bullying.
The whole argument is kind of irrelevant now any way as students have said he was actually bullied
Did I forget to mention Jill has for the last year been bullying Jack, spitting on him, pushing him around, tripping him up?
Is Jack still bullying Jill?
(Links to friends stuff is further up this page.)
Bad joke sorry
You're still using an example of single people where ostracism by it's very concept is a group thing
Of course it isn't if it is a singular person example
How many of Jack's friends need to treat Jill the same way until Jack becomes the bully?
Try this
Jack is maybe dyslexic/slightly autistic and gets frustrated and overly defensive when pushed on math to the point of showing anger
Students (All the other jacks and jills) understandably mistake this for being a weirdo angry nut and ostracise him.
Is that bullying?
I say it is but it is not the other students fault.
Jack is maybe dyslexic/slightly autistic and gets frustrated and overly defensive when pushed on math to the point of showing anger
Students (All the other jacks and jills) understandably mistake this for being a weirdo angry nut and ostracise him.
Is that bullying?
I say it is but it is not the other students fault.
Missed this
If Jack makes everyone ostracise one person due to his experience then Jack would be a bit awesome, but someone I wouldn't like
I thought you'd given up on this semantic nonsense, cullennz. It really isn't doing you any favours to stretch this point as far as it will go for page after page, day after day, when there are some actual real issues to discuss here. You're doing a great job of deflecting the spotlight away from a mass murderer, a Nazi, a hater.......onto his victims. I can understand gun nuts clinging to anything that could possibly deflect the attention away from this killing, but I really don't understand what your incentive is. Why are you doing your level best to steer this conversation away from the killer?
smartcooky
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Anyway, back on topic...
Be careful you pro-gun journalists who choose to mock the survivors of the Parklands shooting, you might get more than you bargained for.....
http://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/wat...w-after-taunts-to-parkland-teen-1198067267911
Since that video aired (and even since Fox News' Laura Ingraham apologised for her remarks) more advertisers (a total of eight) have pulled out of her show
Johnson & Johnson
Trip Advisor
Wayfair
Nestle
Expedia
StitchFix
Hulu
Nutrish
There are a couple of heavy hitters in that list.
I think these circumstances are going to lead to a few Politicians and Journalists feeling the impact of the power of Social Media.... and people like David Hogg and Emma Gonzales have that power at their fingertips.
Be careful you pro-gun journalists who choose to mock the survivors of the Parklands shooting, you might get more than you bargained for.....
http://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/wat...w-after-taunts-to-parkland-teen-1198067267911
Since that video aired (and even since Fox News' Laura Ingraham apologised for her remarks) more advertisers (a total of eight) have pulled out of her show
Johnson & Johnson
Trip Advisor
Wayfair
Nestle
Expedia
StitchFix
Hulu
Nutrish
There are a couple of heavy hitters in that list.
I think these circumstances are going to lead to a few Politicians and Journalists feeling the impact of the power of Social Media.... and people like David Hogg and Emma Gonzales have that power at their fingertips.
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