Piggy
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You're saying that, but you're not actually engaging with the arguments (which everyone else who has ever looked at the properly find persuasive) that the idea of an instrumental good independent of any intrinsic good is self-contradictory and nonsensical.
You are instead proposing some kind of incoherent philosophy where A is good because it brings about B, and B is good because it brings about C, and C is good because it brings about D, and so on until you either retreat into circularity by saying N is good because it brings about A, or an infinite regress where it's turtles all the way down.
Harris doesn't appear to find it persuasive. Pinker doesn't appear to find it persuasive. Neither do I. Perhaps none of us are True Scotsman?
Look, no matter how you slice it, these notions of "intrinsic good" and "instrumental good" are hopeless abstractions. They're the moral equivalent of the cosmic ether. The reality is, we can do without them and be none the worse off, as I have demonstrated.
The fact that you continue to cling to them does not make them any less redundant, any less useless. The fact is, you simply refuse to engage, in any way, the approach to morality which dispenses with them. Instead, you simply continue to insist, without any proof or even evidence, that they must somehow be indispensible.
All this A B C D stuff that you're talking about here only makes sense if you first buy into an abstract notion of "good" floating out in imaginary space somewhere. That is, if you first choose to believe in some unanchored notion of Platonic "good", which is entirely unreal.
Once you drop that imaginary baggage and focus instead on what is demonstrably real -- that is, physics and biology -- all this obsession with some idealistic notion of "good" (intrinsic or instrumental) falls by the wayside.
Fact is, we don't make our moral decisions based on any such notions of abstract "good". "Good" = Tooth Fairy.