Frank Newgent
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My question is simply this: Are you menstruating?rikzilla said:
Ronald Reagan dies
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"Mourners' Attire Not Quite Reaganesque..."
TRANSLATION: "I'm superior to all those stupid, STUPID people who liked Reagen, so let's insult the way they look."
Somehow, I'm sure that you would be jumping up and down shouting "racism!!!" if anybody said the tiniest negative thing about how, say, Arabs or Mexicans or Zulus or Chinese dress.
But it's only REPUBLICANS and MIDDLE AMERICA we're insulting here, so...
"Mourners' Attire Not Quite Reaganesque..."
TRANSLATION: "I'm superior to all those stupid, STUPID people who liked Reagen, so let's insult the way they look."
Somehow, I'm sure that you would be jumping up and down shouting "racism!!!" if anybody said the tiniest negative thing about how, say, Arabs or Mexicans or Zulus or Chinese dress.
But it's only REPUBLICANS and MIDDLE AMERICA we're insulting here, so...
Roadtoad
Bufo Caminus Inedibilis
rikzilla said:
I do remember. Scary thing is, too few people are really willing to question Rense on half the sh** he posts.
I used to wonder about Jueri, and what happened to him. Then I poured myself another cup of espresso, and figured, the hell with him.
Don't attack the merits, attack the source.
You all haven't addressed any of the issues. I don't expect you to. Don't bother. I'm done. You win. You're right. Feel good?
I did a quick Google on Bush constitutional issues. There are many, as there are usually.
You addressed none of them and found some questionable source. Good for you. Feel good.
You all haven't addressed any of the issues. I don't expect you to. Don't bother. I'm done. You win. You're right. Feel good?
I did a quick Google on Bush constitutional issues. There are many, as there are usually.
You addressed none of them and found some questionable source. Good for you. Feel good.
...we should never forget that there was a fundamental flaw at the heart of Reaganomics, namely the idea, epitomised by the infamous Laffer Curve, that tax cuts would pay for themselves via the 'incentive effect'.
The truth was that Reagan's 'supply side' doctrine was a crude and intellectually shabby attempt to justify tax cuts for the great B-movie actor's backers, namely the exceedingly rich. Taxes as a per centage of income came down from 48.6 to 38.9 per cent between 1980 and 1984 for those with incomes above $250,000 a year. And the way in which certain tax exemptions were removed - Reagan's attempt to be fiscally 'responsible' - led to a rise in the proportion of income tax paid by the lowest income groups. In most eulogies to Reagan last week, all those US cuts in government expenditure on food stamps, school lunches, welfare, Medicaid and subsidised housing were quietly forgotten.
As usual, the one and only Professor JK Galbraith put his finger on it when he said there was something strange about a doctrine which held that the rich would work harder if they had more money and the poor if they had less - a doctrine that was happily supported in this country by Mrs Thatcher and her Chancellor, my old friend Lord Lawson.
Reagan's ultimate lack of fiscal responsibility did his successor George Bush Senior no good. The latter had to renege on his famous promise 'Read my lips: No ... new ... taxes' and agreed, unlike Dick Cheney in conversation with former US Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, that there were times when deficits did matter.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1237400,00.html
As Nixon said, "(They) need representation too."
The truth was that Reagan's 'supply side' doctrine was a crude and intellectually shabby attempt to justify tax cuts for the great B-movie actor's backers, namely the exceedingly rich. Taxes as a per centage of income came down from 48.6 to 38.9 per cent between 1980 and 1984 for those with incomes above $250,000 a year. And the way in which certain tax exemptions were removed - Reagan's attempt to be fiscally 'responsible' - led to a rise in the proportion of income tax paid by the lowest income groups. In most eulogies to Reagan last week, all those US cuts in government expenditure on food stamps, school lunches, welfare, Medicaid and subsidised housing were quietly forgotten.
As usual, the one and only Professor JK Galbraith put his finger on it when he said there was something strange about a doctrine which held that the rich would work harder if they had more money and the poor if they had less - a doctrine that was happily supported in this country by Mrs Thatcher and her Chancellor, my old friend Lord Lawson.
Reagan's ultimate lack of fiscal responsibility did his successor George Bush Senior no good. The latter had to renege on his famous promise 'Read my lips: No ... new ... taxes' and agreed, unlike Dick Cheney in conversation with former US Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, that there were times when deficits did matter.
....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1237400,00.html
As Nixon said, "(They) need representation too."
There's nothing funnier than a hateful liberal. And to think people like you laughed at the term "compassionate conservative." Oh, the irony is just too much.
Well, Reagan's entombed now so you can get back to business, SG. Whatever the hell that may be.
Well, Reagan's entombed now so you can get back to business, SG. Whatever the hell that may be.
Here a remembrance of Reagan's activities largely ignored or glossed over in most of last week's eulogies. What follows is a transcipt of a radio interview with Father Miguel D'Escoto, one time foreign minister of Nicaragua.
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Father Miguel D'Escoto (Nicaragua's Foreign Minister) "Reagan was the Butcher of my people"
FATHER MIGUEL D'ESCOTO: First of all, let me start out by saying that, of course, Reagan is now dead. And I, for one, would like to say only nice things about him. I'm not insensitive to the feelings of many U.S. people mourning president Reagan, but as I pray that god in his infinite mercy and goodness forgive him for having been the butcher of my people, for having been responsible for the deaths of some 50,000 Nicaraguans, we cannot, we should not ever forget the crimes he committed in the name of what he falsely labeled freedom and democracy.
More perhaps than any other U.S. President, Reagan convinced many around the world that the U.S. is a fraud, a big lie. Not only was it not democratic, but in fact the greatest enemy of the right of self-determination of peoples. Reagan, as you mentioned just a few minutes ago, was known as the great communicator, and I believe that that is true only if one believes that to be a great communicator means to be a good liar. That he was for sure. He could proclaim the biggest lies without even as much as blinking an eyelash. Hearing him talk about how we were supposedly persecuting Jews and burning down non-existent synagogues, I was led to believe really, that Reagan was possessed by demons. Frankly, I do believe Reagan at that time as much as Bush today was indeed possessed by the demons of manifest destiny.
Of course, as I say this, I'm quite aware that to the people of say for example, Project for a New American Century, that is counted as a big plus. Because of Reagan and his spiritual heir George W. Bush, the World today is far less safe and secure as it has ever been. Reagan in fact was an international outlaw. He came to the Presidency of the United States shortly after Samosa, a Dictator that the U.S. has imposed over Nicaragua for practically half a century; had been deposed by Nicaraguan Nationalists under the leadership of the Sandinista Liberation Front. To Reagan Nicaragua had to be re-conquered. He blamed Carter for having lost Nicaragua, as if Nicaragua ever belonged to anyone else other than the Nicaraguan people. That was then the beginning of this war that Reagan invented, and mounted and financed and directed, the Contra War. About which he continually lied to the People. Helping the United States people to be the most ignorant people around the world. I said ignorant, I don't say not intelligent. But the most ignorant people around the world about what the United States does abroad. People don't even begin to see -- if they did, they would rebel. And so, he lied to the people, as Bush lies to the people today and as they push on, thinking that the United States is above every law, human or divine. And we took the United States, Reagan's United States, his government to court, the World Court. I was Foreign Minister at that time here in Nicaragua. I was responsible for that. And the United States government received the harshest sentence, the harshest condemnation ever in the history of world justice. In spite of the fact that the United States since the early 1920's has been proclaiming to the world that one of the proofs of its moral superiority as compared to other countries around the world is the fact that it abides by the international law and was obedient to the world court when the United States was brought to the world court in Nicaragua and received the condemnation that the United States failed to heed the sentence and they till owe Nicaragua by now must be between 20,000 and $30,000 million at the time when we left government that the damages caused by that Reagan war was over $17 billion, and this, according to very moderate estimators of damage, people from the United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America, people from Harvard University and from Oxford and from the University of Paris basically this is the team that was pulled together to estimate the damage. The United States was ordered to pay for the damage. Bush never even wanted to talk to me about it. I said, "Well, let's have a meeting so that you comply with your sentence of the court." He said to me in two different letters that there was nothing to talk about.
So, Reagan did damage to Nicaragua beyond the imaginations of the people who are hearing me now. The ripple effects of that; criminal murderous interventions in my country will go on for what, 50 years or more.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/08/1453219
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Compassionate Conservatism my ass.
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Father Miguel D'Escoto (Nicaragua's Foreign Minister) "Reagan was the Butcher of my people"
FATHER MIGUEL D'ESCOTO: First of all, let me start out by saying that, of course, Reagan is now dead. And I, for one, would like to say only nice things about him. I'm not insensitive to the feelings of many U.S. people mourning president Reagan, but as I pray that god in his infinite mercy and goodness forgive him for having been the butcher of my people, for having been responsible for the deaths of some 50,000 Nicaraguans, we cannot, we should not ever forget the crimes he committed in the name of what he falsely labeled freedom and democracy.
More perhaps than any other U.S. President, Reagan convinced many around the world that the U.S. is a fraud, a big lie. Not only was it not democratic, but in fact the greatest enemy of the right of self-determination of peoples. Reagan, as you mentioned just a few minutes ago, was known as the great communicator, and I believe that that is true only if one believes that to be a great communicator means to be a good liar. That he was for sure. He could proclaim the biggest lies without even as much as blinking an eyelash. Hearing him talk about how we were supposedly persecuting Jews and burning down non-existent synagogues, I was led to believe really, that Reagan was possessed by demons. Frankly, I do believe Reagan at that time as much as Bush today was indeed possessed by the demons of manifest destiny.
Of course, as I say this, I'm quite aware that to the people of say for example, Project for a New American Century, that is counted as a big plus. Because of Reagan and his spiritual heir George W. Bush, the World today is far less safe and secure as it has ever been. Reagan in fact was an international outlaw. He came to the Presidency of the United States shortly after Samosa, a Dictator that the U.S. has imposed over Nicaragua for practically half a century; had been deposed by Nicaraguan Nationalists under the leadership of the Sandinista Liberation Front. To Reagan Nicaragua had to be re-conquered. He blamed Carter for having lost Nicaragua, as if Nicaragua ever belonged to anyone else other than the Nicaraguan people. That was then the beginning of this war that Reagan invented, and mounted and financed and directed, the Contra War. About which he continually lied to the People. Helping the United States people to be the most ignorant people around the world. I said ignorant, I don't say not intelligent. But the most ignorant people around the world about what the United States does abroad. People don't even begin to see -- if they did, they would rebel. And so, he lied to the people, as Bush lies to the people today and as they push on, thinking that the United States is above every law, human or divine. And we took the United States, Reagan's United States, his government to court, the World Court. I was Foreign Minister at that time here in Nicaragua. I was responsible for that. And the United States government received the harshest sentence, the harshest condemnation ever in the history of world justice. In spite of the fact that the United States since the early 1920's has been proclaiming to the world that one of the proofs of its moral superiority as compared to other countries around the world is the fact that it abides by the international law and was obedient to the world court when the United States was brought to the world court in Nicaragua and received the condemnation that the United States failed to heed the sentence and they till owe Nicaragua by now must be between 20,000 and $30,000 million at the time when we left government that the damages caused by that Reagan war was over $17 billion, and this, according to very moderate estimators of damage, people from the United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America, people from Harvard University and from Oxford and from the University of Paris basically this is the team that was pulled together to estimate the damage. The United States was ordered to pay for the damage. Bush never even wanted to talk to me about it. I said, "Well, let's have a meeting so that you comply with your sentence of the court." He said to me in two different letters that there was nothing to talk about.
So, Reagan did damage to Nicaragua beyond the imaginations of the people who are hearing me now. The ripple effects of that; criminal murderous interventions in my country will go on for what, 50 years or more.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/08/1453219
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Compassionate Conservatism my ass.
“If you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here, to this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.” —Speech at the Berlin Wall, June 12, 1987
Hmmm, liberalization good.
Hmmm, liberalization good.
SezMe
post-pre-born
RF, the issue is not the UN. Yes, you are right that the UN is useless (or worse) at times, but it is the only UN we have and we chose to support it and send an ambassador to it.RandFan said:
No, the issue is the USA. That we would chose to send somebody with Negroponte's history there as our representative is disgusting. Again, I agree that the UN can drive one up the wall, but can't we make a better contribution to it?
shemp
a flimsy character...perfidious and despised
subgenius said:
Why, it was purely for humanitarian reasons, of course! Yeah, humanitarian reasons, yeah that's it, that's the ticket!
shemp
a flimsy character...perfidious and despised
Skeptic said:
Translation: Many people are so uncaring and stupid that they can't even be bothered to dress their best for a funeral. Of course, this might have been the best clothing this guy had. Maybe they should use him as a subject on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy."
I would never even think of crashing the Republican love-fest that was Reagan's funeral, but if I had come to pay my respects, at least I'd have dressed in a suit and tie, not a pair of shorts and a flag t-shirt.
Don't any of you flag-wavers think that t-shirt is inappropriate and a slur against the American flag? I guess not. Maybe you wear flag underwear and use a flag snotrag too?
shemp
a flimsy character...perfidious and despised
By the way, if Jocko should ever post anything of substance, please let me know.
Regnad Kcin
Penultimate Amazing
I must concur with those who feel that one's choice of attire to attend such a ceremony is significant. I understand that weather conditions for the Reagan events were not comfortable. But there are times/situations in life where -- if we claim respect -- we put others above ourselves.
A state funeral is not a state fair.
A state funeral is not a state fair.
rikzilla
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Regnad Kcin said:
Gather up any 104,000 people at random. There will be some who are old, ugly, and dress funny. Guaranteed... Most people will dress up for such events, but if you invite 104,000 people to your wedding or funeral in 92 degree heat someone's gonna show up in a tank top and shower shoes.
I was there,...straight from my office in slacks and polo shirt thank you very much.... We saw alot of military guys in dress blues who somehow endured the 5 hour line and still looked good at the other end. But you guys don't wanna talk about them do ya?
So who else here was in that line besides myself??.........thought so..........
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rikzilla said:
Ya got me. I didnt spend 5hrs in 90 dgeree heat, in line, to walk past the dead body of a guy I didnt even know.
People are just really into funerals. The Lady Di' thing really blew mind. Im just not the funeral type. I mean I can see really likeing the guy. I though Clinton was a great prez. I still wouldnt go to his funeral.