Ronald Reagan dies

Originally posted by rikzilla Gather up any 104,000 people at random. There will be some who are old, ugly, and dress funny. Guaranteed... Most people will dress up for such events, but if you invite 104,000 people to your wedding or funeral in 92 degree heat someone's gonna show up in a tank top and shower shoes.
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Indeed. Highlighting this one man among all those available says much more about the photographer than it does about the class of the mourners. Though his choice of dress is something of a faux pas, his respect and mourning are real enough that any decent person should forgive it.
 
rikzilla said:

So who else here was in that line besides myself? Thought so...
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I wanted to go, just to assure myself beyond doubt that the bastard was really dead.

:D
 
Originally posted by rikzilla
Gather up any 104,000 people at random. There will be some who are old, ugly, and dress funny. Guaranteed...
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I'm not commenting on the old, or the ugly, though your overall point is legitimate. For the year 2004. But gather up any 104,000 citizens from, say, 50 years ago, when people more fully understood what "paying respect" meant and I'd wager you that those dressing "funny" would be so few in number as to be insignificant.
Most people will dress up for such events, but if you invite 104,000 people to your wedding or funeral in 92 degree heat someone's gonna show up in a tank top and shower shoes.
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And 50 or more years ago, before the prevalence of air conditioning, a person would no more "show up in a tank top and shower shoes" to walk to the grocers for a loaf of bread, much less to view the casket of the President of the United States, lying in state at the Capitol rotunda.
I was there,...straight from my office in slacks and polo shirt thank you very much....
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Not to make this personal, but your choice of attire would not be accepted in a fine restaurant. (Indeed, the maitre d' would have a selection of ties and sport coats -- a dress code signifying civilized consideration for others.) Why was it acceptable for such an occasion as we're discussing? Because otherwise you'd be uncomfortable?

Suppose I wanted to walk past the president's casket with a boom box on my shoulder playing the Dead Kennedys? Or eating a bag of chips? Or astride my Segway Human Transporter? You'd (rightly) proclaim, "Hey, that's not appropriate! Doesn't he know how to behave?" How sad that some, strike that, many apparently did not know how for the Reagan ceremonies.
We saw alot of military guys in dress blues who somehow endured the 5 hour line and still looked good at the other end. But you guys don't wanna talk about them do ya?
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I fail to see your point; I applaud those who dressed in clothes appropriate for the occasion. If you are suggesting that I am seeking to cast aspersions on mourners based on the presumed political affiliation or those that this particular president's funeral most likely would have attracted, I can only say you're mistaken. Conservative, liberal, or in between, you put on shorts and a T-shirt for a walk on the beach or a day at Disneyland, not to view a president lying in state.
So who else here was in that line besides myself??.........thought so..........
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Again, your point is lost. Nevertheless, I'm envious that you were able to attend.
 
Originally posted by Mycroft
Indeed. Highlighting this one man among all those available says much more about the photographer than it does about the class of the mourners. Though his choice of dress is something of a faux pas, his respect and mourning are real enough that any decent person should forgive it.
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"This one man?" I've seen three different photographic wide shots of people filing past the president's casket in the rotunda. (There's one in this week's Time.) Shorts, T-shirts, etc. are common apparel.

You speak of a photograph of "one man" whose dress is questionable but whose sentiment is not. I, frankly, have no way of determining the sincerity of the man's, nor anyone else's, feelings. And of course, being nicely-dressed doesn't automatically make one better than one's fellows.

I merely am amazed that people would even consider the question of what to wear to such an event. rikzilla claims he went through the line in slacks and a polo shirt; to me, that's marginal, though not outlandish, dress. But again, people wore shorts and sandals and T-shirts! T-shirts! That's not a faux pas--which is to say an unfortunate mistake--as much as it is a startling demonstration of the ongoing fraying of society's fabric.
 
I, frankly, would have preferred for people to treat this with a greater sense of respect, if for no other reason than simply because it demonstrated a sense of respect for Reagan's family, many of whom disagreed with the man. (Or, maybe you forgot about that.)

I, too, am more than a little sick of hateful liberals. I'm sick of the smug posturing, the condescension, and the attitude that somehow, they're exempt from all the BS they want to impose on the rest of us. And I'm genuinely sick of the postmortem battery of a man who spent his last days degenerating into a vegetative state.

Ronald Reagan made some serious mistakes. He supported Anastasio Somoza, he supported Agosto Pinochet. He backed the bastards behind that military junta in Argentina, and said little as the Desaparecidos and their families vanished into the night, the children never to be seen again, adopted into the families of their parents enemies. Even when counterbalanced against those he set free, the price that was paid to defeat Marxism was a large and bloody one.

Nor did Reagan ever take the time to look into the claims of Downwinders and Atomic veterans, and his appointees to the courts never once took the time to review Justice Sherman Christensen's request to reopen the Sheep Case, because it turned out the Federal Government withheld evidence which might have shown they knew about what was happening in St. George, Utah, and were allowing it to happen.

Ronald Reagan made mistakes. I know Reagan's mistakes. But I'll be damned if I could ever get two paragraphs in about Bill Clinton's mistakes without being vilified.

Tell you what, gang: if I had to pick between Reagan's legacy or Clinton's, and determine which president was the greater public servant, you can bet it wouldn't be a man who FOUR YEARS after he left office finally got around to admitting that, yes, he had sex with that woman.
 
Roadtoad said:
I, frankly, would have preferred for people to treat this with a greater sense of respect, if for no other reason than simply because it demonstrated a sense of respect for Reagan's family, many of whom disagreed with the man. (Or, maybe you forgot about that.)

I, too, am more than a little sick of hateful liberals. I'm sick of the smug posturing, the condescension, and the attitude that somehow, they're exempt from all the BS they want to impose on the rest of us. And I'm genuinely sick of the postmortem battery of a man who spent his last days degenerating into a vegetative state.

Ronald Reagan made some serious mistakes. He supported Anastasio Somoza, he supported Agosto Pinochet. He backed the bastards behind that military junta in Argentina, and said little as the Desaparecidos and their families vanished into the night, the children never to be seen again, adopted into the families of their parents enemies. Even when counterbalanced against those he set free, the price that was paid to defeat Marxism was a large and bloody one.

Nor did Reagan ever take the time to look into the claims of Downwinders and Atomic veterans, and his appointees to the courts never once took the time to review Justice Sherman Christensen's request to reopen the Sheep Case, because it turned out the Federal Government withheld evidence which might have shown they knew about what was happening in St. George, Utah, and were allowing it to happen.

Ronald Reagan made mistakes. I know Reagan's mistakes. But I'll be damned if I could ever get two paragraphs in about Bill Clinton's mistakes without being vilified.

Tell you what, gang: if I had to pick between Reagan's legacy or Clinton's, and determine which president was the greater public servant, you can bet it wouldn't be a man who FOUR YEARS after he left office finally got around to admitting that, yes, he had sex with that woman.
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As opposed to a president who for the last 15 years of his life couldn't admit to even one of the mistakes and lies mentioned above, plus others unmentioned?
 
Roadtoad said:
I, frankly, would have preferred for people to treat this with a greater sense of respect, if for no other reason than simply because it demonstrated a sense of respect for Reagan's family, many of whom disagreed with the man. (Or, maybe you forgot about that.)

I, too, am more than a little sick of hateful liberals. I'm sick of the smug posturing, the condescension, and the attitude that somehow, they're exempt from all the BS they want to impose on the rest of us. And I'm genuinely sick of the postmortem battery of a man who spent his last days degenerating into a vegetative state.

Ronald Reagan made some serious mistakes. He supported Anastasio Somoza, he supported Agosto Pinochet. He backed the bastards behind that military junta in Argentina, and said little as the Desaparecidos and their families vanished into the night, the children never to be seen again, adopted into the families of their parents enemies. Even when counterbalanced against those he set free, the price that was paid to defeat Marxism was a large and bloody one.

Nor did Reagan ever take the time to look into the claims of Downwinders and Atomic veterans, and his appointees to the courts never once took the time to review Justice Sherman Christensen's request to reopen the Sheep Case, because it turned out the Federal Government withheld evidence which might have shown they knew about what was happening in St. George, Utah, and were allowing it to happen.

Ronald Reagan made mistakes. I know Reagan's mistakes. But I'll be damned if I could ever get two paragraphs in about Bill Clinton's mistakes without being vilified.

Tell you what, gang: if I had to pick between Reagan's legacy or Clinton's, and determine which president was the greater public servant, you can bet it wouldn't be a man who FOUR YEARS after he left office finally got around to admitting that, yes, he had sex with that woman.
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That was all he had to admit to?

The end of the cold war was a much bigger event than just Reagan turning up. Your list of his crimes were much worse than having consensual sex with an adult. I bet that was all Bush wishes he had to deal with.
 
shemp said:


Translation: Many people are so uncaring and stupid that they can't even be bothered to dress their best for a funeral. Of course, this might have been the best clothing this guy had. Maybe they should use him as a subject on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy."
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Of course, he cared enough to wait 6 hours in 92 degree heat. Perhaps that's more important?


Posted by Regnad Kcin
"But gather up any 104,000 citizens from, say, 50 years ago, when people more fully understood what "paying respect" meant and I'd wager you that those dressing "funny" would be so few in number as to be insignificant."

That's probably because 50 years ago society was far more conformist. I doubt it was because the citizenry were especially tactful, just that a suit was a blokes standard "uniform". In fact, and I think this clinches it, Don Corleone - shortly after WW2 - specifically mentioned that for years he had been getting no respect (even though everyone was wearing natty suits).
 
Roadtoad said:
I, frankly, would have preferred for people to treat this with a greater sense of respect, if for no other reason than simply because it demonstrated a sense of respect for Reagan's family, many of whom disagreed with the man. (Or, maybe you forgot about that.)

I, too, am more than a little sick of hateful liberals. I'm sick of the smug posturing, the condescension, and the attitude that somehow, they're exempt from all the BS they want to impose on the rest of us. And I'm genuinely sick of the postmortem battery of a man who spent his last days degenerating into a vegetative state.
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Hear, hear. Hypocrites like Shemp and AUP fling their crap like monkeys in a poop fight and pretend their hands are clean. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

It's very telling that they waited until the man actually died - though he has been dead for a decade in every significant way - to pull down their pants and moon the coffin. They come off like the number one schoolyard target who'll only shout his threats and shake his fists when he's SURE his adversary is out of earshot.

The same people who claim how unfair it is that the US should attack a smaller nation seem to have no problem with vomiting their bile onto a dead man's shoes and calling it fair. God save us from their idea of justice.
 
Giz said:


Of course, he cared enough to wait 6 hours in 92 degree heat. Perhaps that's more important?
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If someone wants to pay his respects and his best set of clothes is a clean pair of coveralls and new sneakers, then I don't see how anyone could have a problem with that. This was a man of the people they're visiting, not Chez Paul. I think Reagan's familt would be more gratified by 200,000 visitors in work clothes than 10,000 mourners in tuxedoes. In its way, it's a very fitting tribute to the kind of man Reagan was.
 
shemp said:
Again, please contact me if Jocko ever posts anything of substance.
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Look, if you're that hung up on me, I'll give you my address and we can be penpals. Just lay off the public fawning - you're embarrassing me as well as yourself. I even know a place where you can get Midol in bulk.
 
Jocko said:


Look, if you're that hung up on me, I'll give you my address and we can be penpals. Just lay off the public fawning - you're embarrassing me as well as yourself. I even know a place where you can get Midol in bulk.
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As a rule, I don't correspond with the feeble of mind.
 
shemp said:


As a rule, I don't correspond with the feeble of mind.
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See you in flame wars if you want to keep stalking my posts. Otherwise find a new hobby, chump.
 
This just in from the AP:

" President Reagan the fourtieth President of the United States is still dead" . Details to follow later.
 
I, for one, find it extremely irritating that the same snotty schmucks who couldn't wait until Reagen was dead to piss on his grave are the SAME PEOPLE who wag a knowing finger at those who chose to pay their respects Reagen in clothes that they do not think show "sufficient respect" for Reagen.

Sufficient respect? For the man you just called a murderous idiot? For the man whose funeral some people here were in favor of PICKETING WITH PROTEST SIGNS?

You people are just about the last men on earth who have any right to tell anybody what to do or wear in order to show "sufficient respect" to Reagen, you disgusting hypocrites.
 
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