Ronald Reagan dies

Um
"Mourners' Attire Not Quite Reaganesque... // viewers with flip-flops, cargo shorts and T-shirts, their flabby midsections exposed. Some young women wore ultra-mini skirts and halter tops... "
http://drudgereport.com/
(As Nixon said, "They need representation, too.")
 
Rik, need another specific Constitutional provision?
How about the 1st Amendment.
BOISE, Idaho - Handing the government a stinging defeat in its war on terror, a jury acquitted a Saudi graduate student Thursday of charges he used his computer expertise to help Muslim terrorists raise money and recruit followers.

"I hope the message is that the First Amendment is important and meaningful in this country," said David Nevin, defense attorney for Sami Omar Al-Hussayen.
....
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...1/ap_on_re_us/computer_terrorism_11&printer=1
 
Ray Charles had far more positive impact on the world, and is a far more inspirational model than RR.
Not even close.
 
My son took a bastard sword that belonged to a friend and hacked up a copy of Howard the Duck. Smashed the video to pieces.

I'm proud of my kid.

We now return you to the original point of this thread.
 
demon said:
Frank Newgent:
"Don't know if anyone has mentioned yet that Reagan presided over the third-longest economic expansion in American history, behind Clinton, then Kennedy and Johnson (a wartime expansion)."


It is worth looking at a top secret memo produced by the National Security Council in August 1954; NSC 5432, Memorandum for the Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (McGeorge Bundy)

It`s plain from this memo that the US hierarchy feared "the trend in Latin America toward nationalistic regimes" and the "popular demand for immediate improvement in the low living standards of the masses" ie a domestic policy of their own. This ran counter to US interests which were based on "encouraging a climate conducive to private investment," and a desire for these countries "to base their economies on a system of private enterprise, and, as essential thereto, to create a political and economic climate conducive to private investment of both domestic and foreign capital," and for the "opportunity to earn and in the case of foreign capital to repatriate a reasonable return."

US policy in South America wasn`t based on any nobel anti-communist idealogy, it was based on exploitation of natural resources for capitalist corporations and woe betide any nationalist or popular movements that got in their way.

Just look at the figures during Reagan`s watch:

El Salvador-70,000 deaths
Guatemala-100,000 deaths
Nicaragua-30,000 deaths

Secretary of State Alexander Haig claimed he had "overwhelming and irrefutable" evidence that South Ameican guerrillas had outside support and of course this is where the old "reds under the bed" myth rears its ugly head again.

This point about the Cold War being a charade for achieving US corporate control over 3rd world economies and resouces, using all manner of violence against nationalist movements, can't be stressed enough.

I strongly recommend "Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II" by William Blum.
Demon: Posted that assuming someone in the thread had quoted a Sabbath gasbag intoning how Reagan had presided over the longest economic expansion in US history and just wanted to thumb their eye.

Had already criss-crossed Mexico a number of times in my own vehicle when Reagan came out with the crack about Nicaragua being a day's drive from the Rio Grande. That so many people believed that was fine with me as long as it kept them north of Laredo.

Local grief counselors ain't making a dime off me on this one.
 
Frank Newgent said:

Demon: Posted that assuming someone in the thread had quoted a Sabbath gasbag intoning how Reagan had presided over the longest economic expansion in US history and just wanted to thumb their eye.

Had already criss-crossed Mexico a number of times in my own vehicle when Reagan came out with the crack about Nicaragua being a day's drive from the Rio Grande. That so many people believed that was fine with me as long as it kept them north of Laredo.

Local grief counselors ain't making a dime off me on this one.
You sure can talk some ◊◊◊◊ buddy, I got a headache.
 
subgenius said:

You sure can talk some ◊◊◊◊ buddy, I got a headache.
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Take a can of creamed plankton
and call me in the morning.
 
By the way, the Pistons kicked some serious LAL butt tonight.
◊◊◊◊ Shaq and the hippo he rode in on.
 
subgenius said:
Ray Charles had far more positive impact on the world, and is a far more inspirational model than RR.
Not even close.

Talk about the blind leading the blind...

you realize there are a million teenagers, RIGHT NOW, who would say the same about Britney Spears?
 
You know, I've heard Rik called everything now from a Neocon to a Nazi. Frankly, if you knew the man, you'd realize just how false those statements are.

You're taking it too literally. "A Unique Person" & co. aren't speaking English, they're speaking "Progressive" (a.k.a. "Liberal"). You need the "Progressive-to-English" dictionary. I have one here. Let's see..

NAZI, see "racist".

NEOCON, see "racist".

RACIST, n. The most common noun in Progressive. Meaning: "someone I disagree with".

Hope that cleared it up.
 
Skeptic said:
You know, I've heard Rik called everything now from a Neocon to a Nazi. Frankly, if you knew the man, you'd realize just how false those statements are.

You're taking it too literally. "A Unique Person" & co. aren't speaking English, they're speaking "Progressive" (a.k.a. "Liberal"). You need the "Progressive-to-English" dictionary. I have one here. Let's see..

NAZI, see "racist".

NEOCON, see "racist".

RACIST, n. The most common noun in Progressive. Meaning: "someone I disagree with".

Hope that cleared it up.

Unfortunately, it did.

Funny thing about Rikzilla, and I hope you all don't mind my mentioning this, (and if you do, tough sh**), but Rik spent a great deal of time on other Forae fighting a character that was damned bound and determined to fight him about the evidence of the Holocaust. As it happened, this half-wit was a Holocaust denier of the first order, using everything including Rense's filth, and denial that the people Hitler massacred were even Jewish in the first place. I was absolutely blown away by Rik's efforts, and his ultimate success, in defeating this clown. The man has my admiration.

And, BTW, did I mention, Rik is the one who got me hooked on this Forum? Just thought I'd mention it, just in case I hadn't before.
 
Roadtoad said:
Funny thing about Rikzilla, and I hope you all don't mind my mentioning this, (and if you do, tough sh**), but Rik spent a great deal of time on other Forae fighting a character that was damned bound and determined to fight him about the evidence of the Holocaust. As it happened, this half-wit was a Holocaust denier of the first order, using everything including Rense's filth, and denial that the people Hitler massacred were even Jewish in the first place. I was absolutely blown away by Rik's efforts, and his ultimate success, in defeating this clown. The man has my admiration.

And, BTW, did I mention, Rik is the one who got me hooked on this Forum? Just thought I'd mention it, just in case I hadn't before.
Rick is a good man, and though we have gone toe-to-toe many times, I usually respect him. Every now and again, he gets severely cheesed off at someone and starts hurling insults, but these fits don't generally last long, and he always apologizes.

So in that spirit, let me offer my apology. I started this thread on a bad note and I was not sensitive to those who care about Reagan deeply or to those who simply believe a dead president deserves respect. I was wrong to start this thread in such a way. I have stayed out of the fray for a respectful length of time (until he was buried, as some suggested) and only commented on peripheral issues.

I don't retract any of the things I said, only my timing in saying them. I will be glad to debate the merits of Reagan or any president until the cows come home, but I should have waited a bit. Apologies to Rik, Aero, Toad, RandFan and any others that I may have offended.

Tricky (whose nickname has nothing to do with Nixon.)
 
Jocko said:


Talk about the blind leading the blind...

you realize there are a million teenagers, RIGHT NOW, who would say the same about Britney Spears?
You mean she isn't? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
subgenius said:


You didn't read any, or ignored all, of them. They each cite specific articles of the Constitution.

You concede no reasonable point ever. It diminishes your position.

When I cited a loyal conservative Reagan Republican (Buchanan) he was dismissed out of hand (not by you) as well.

The ignore button is a good thing.

All nonsense is properly ignored SG. Ask Randi, he does it every day.

I'll say it again, if GWB has broken his vow and "trashed" the USC then where's the impeachment? Why don't you take your "evidence" to your political representatives and demand he be impeached? Really, this forum is not the place to spout your righteous indignation...if you have a case, take it to your representatives. I'm sure there's a few who'd just LOVE to impeach GWB....tell me SG, why aren't they doing it?

Perhaps it's because an internet link to a UFO-kook site is not exactly "evidence"?? Wow! Who knew!? :rolleyes:

-z

Edited to add: This should really be the subject of it's own thread....why don't you start on SG, instead of derailing this one?
 
subgenius said:
Um
"Mourners' Attire Not Quite Reaganesque... // viewers with flip-flops, cargo shorts and T-shirts, their flabby midsections exposed. Some young women wore ultra-mini skirts and halter tops... "
http://drudgereport.com/
(As Nixon said, "They need representation, too.")

So now a well known yellow journalist and SG will insult the "attire" of those who took the time to file through the Capitol. That's nice. You and Drudge are obviously superior beings amused by the depradations of the "great unwashed masses".

Funny thing is, my daughter and I were in that line from 7pm thursday until the stoke of midnight...when as luck would have it we finally arrived in the Capitol rotunda. They stopped the line and we were able to stay for awhile as the guards were changed. By the time we got there we were sweaty and dirty, bone tired. But the experience of being present at a historic moment was transcendant.

But I wouldn't expect you'd know anything about that. There is a difference SG, between skepticism and cynicism....you need to find a cynic's forum...you'd feel more at home there. I was dirty and nasty after sweating those hours in line....and I was there in the cool of the night. Some of the people you and Drudge are ridiculing spent hours in 92 degree heat. Yeah, they were fat, old, and dressed funny....so what? Can you for just a moment imagine what it's like to wait 5 or 6 hours in the sun when you're old and fat? They had more of a sense of honor, and history than you or Mr. Drudge will ever know.

My daughter is only 11 years old. She spent 5 hours in that ponderous line...in turn whining, overheated and tired...but once we were done she thanked me for bringing her out, because she said, "it was special". It was too. Please feel free to laugh at the rubes now,...us rubes really, really don't care what you think of us.

-z
 
Roadtoad said:


Unfortunately, it did.

Funny thing about Rikzilla, and I hope you all don't mind my mentioning this, (and if you do, tough sh**), but Rik spent a great deal of time on other Forae fighting a character that was damned bound and determined to fight him about the evidence of the Holocaust. As it happened, this half-wit was a Holocaust denier of the first order, using everything including Rense's filth, and denial that the people Hitler massacred were even Jewish in the first place. I was absolutely blown away by Rik's efforts, and his ultimate success, in defeating this clown. The man has my admiration.

And, BTW, did I mention, Rik is the one who got me hooked on this Forum? Just thought I'd mention it, just in case I hadn't before.

Thanks man, it's nice to have friends. Do you remember Jueri the Denier's favorite web site? Rense.com Funny, but it's one of the one's SG gave as evidence of GWB's unconstitutional behavior. Jeff Rense, the UFO man, antisemite, and yes "liberal"....used as "evidence" on a skeptical site. Weird!

-z
 
Tricky said:

Rick is a good man, and though we have gone toe-to-toe many times, I usually respect him. Every now and again, he gets severely cheesed off at someone and starts hurling insults, but these fits don't generally last long, and he always apologizes.

So in that spirit, let me offer my apology. I started this thread on a bad note and I was not sensitive to those who care about Reagan deeply or to those who simply believe a dead president deserves respect. I was wrong to start this thread in such a way. I have stayed out of the fray for a respectful length of time (until he was buried, as some suggested) and only commented on peripheral issues.

I don't retract any of the things I said, only my timing in saying them. I will be glad to debate the merits of Reagan or any president until the cows come home, but I should have waited a bit. Apologies to Rik, Aero, Toad, RandFan and any others that I may have offended.

Tricky (whose nickname has nothing to do with Nixon.)

No apology necessary man. I know you as a gentleman even though I don't usually agree with you. I hope that most of the time you feel the same towards me. We've had heated exchanges in the past, but we get over it. You are one of the posters that make it so enjoyable and challenging to post here. Keep it up,...you've changed my mind more than once Tricky.

Honestly, I think SG is just having one of those days. He's usually a good guy,..if somewhat maddening. His dissing of the quality of the people paying their respects to Reagan though is just way over the top. When my kid and I started standing in that line we were clean, rested and surrounded by impersonal strangers. By the time we got to the end of it we were dirty, tired, and surrounded by good friends. That's a kind of magic that even Randi can't deny.

I don't believe in God,...but I'm sure he's blessed America anyway. :)

-z
 

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