Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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The easiest way to deal with Menard is accept his "withdrawal of consent" and then simply turn it around on him.
He claims that he has withdrawn consent and as such, the policies of the government don't apply to him and he can act against them with impunity.
Fine, so by the same argument his policy(withdrawal of consent) doesn't apply to the government and they are free to ignore his policy and act against him with impunity as its simply his policy.

As soon as he withdraws consent (by his own argument) he has no contract, yet he expects the government to be bound by his policy????????

its a ludicrous argument, just put that to him rather than getting into nonsensical debates, just keep it simple.
 
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@jargon_buster; Whilst your logic is sound - the sanity of Menard and his minions is not.

Do the Freeloaders have a list of "special" words to say to a psychiatrist?
 
At no point was the defendant involved in the decision to reject the damages award.


According to the Wikipedia page, after the remittitur thingy "the plaintiffs proposed a $25,000 settlement to Thomas-Rasset. She declined". The plaintiffs then rejected the reduction of damages, and the result was the third trial and the award of $1.5 million. Doesn't that count as a win in FOTLer terms?
 
Over on Ickes or friend solzhenitsyn has attempted to answer Robs post using logic and reason, it will unfortunatly now trigger rhetoric and nonsense from the moronic Menard
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059773583&postcount=262

The best way to deal with him is to simply turn his argument around on him as follows.
Here are Robs questions
Are the courts composed of people?
yes of course
Are they bound by the law?
Yes of course
Is equality paramount and mandatory?
Why ,yes of course.

Now Rob if we both agree that equality is paramount how can you claim to be able to ignore the laws that everyone else has agreed to follow?
By your own claim of right to ignore these laws you are claiming you are above others and as such your equality argument destroys your claim.

See, he always debunks his own argument, no need to feed him with quotes and laws.
 
According to the Wikipedia page, after the remittitur thingy "the plaintiffs proposed a $25,000 settlement to Thomas-Rasset. She declined". The plaintiffs then rejected the reduction of damages, and the result was the third trial and the award of $1.5 million. Doesn't that count as a win in FOTLer terms?
Probably does! Do something stupid to make the legal consequences worse. That's pretty much the FOTL core strategy.
 
This one deserves some pointing and laughing.

So, Menard finally has some evidence that you can remove consent from a court ruling and just walk away. That evidence? This Notice filed by the plaintiff in a copyright lawsuit:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/26586444/...sion-re-remittitur-in-Capitol-v-Thomas-Rasset

Let's see...

1. This is a civil case, not a criminal case
2. The plaintiff (Capitol Records) sued the defendant (Ms. Thomas-Rasset) for statutory damages for copyright infringement
3. The jury found in favour of the plaintiff and awarded damages
4. The judge issued a Remittitur order reducing the damages
5. The plaintiff refused to accept the reduced damages thus triggering a new trial (which is where the above-linked Notice comes in)

At no point was the defendant involved in the decision to reject the damages award. At no point was the defendant consulted. The defendant cannot walk away. In fact, the defendant now has to endure being sued again.

Bravo Rob.


http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059771953&postcount=201


I notice that further down the Icke forum thread Menard asks:
Did she or did she not respectfully decline to accept the judges ruling?


The document does say:
Plaintiffs regretfully must decline to accept the remittitur...


But the plaintiffs are, of course, Capitol Records et al:
CAPITOL RECORDS, INC., et al.,
Plaintiffs,
vs.
JAMMIE THOMAS-RASSET,
Defendant.


We then get lizardlover posting:
A remittitur is a ruling by a judge (usually upon motion to reduce or throw out a jury verdict) lowering the amount of damages granted by a jury in a civil case. Usually, this is because the amount awarded exceeded the amount demanded. The term is sometimes used for a reduction in awarded damages even when the amount awarded did not exceed the amount demanded, but is otherwise considered excessive.
If the motion is granted, the plaintiff may either accept the reduced verdict or submit to a new trial.


The plantiff may accept or submit to a new trial.



That is her right and she exercised it. No freeman mumbo jumbo, not word games, her right of law to accept the verdict or submit to a new trial.


Menard replies:
So that's a yes. It can be done and she did it.


People over there seem a little confused about who the plaintiff was in this case.
 
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I've been away for a while but i've a friend who persists in trying to draw me in by sending me freeman stuff he regards as a victory and this is too funny to not spread to your good-selves.
This video is so jaw droppingly stupid and the freeman Max is perhaps the worlds most patronising man i can't quite believe it. When you watch (and you will:D) you will not be able to cope with how pompous he is, it's absolutely hilarious, honestly, it's achingly beautiful in it's content of woo (almost every word he speaks is woo),it's sheer patronising delivery is of Olympic standard. The look of smugness he has when he's explaining himself to a female reporter from the local paper is pure class, the fact he is so unaware of how he looks just makes it all the funnier.
I couldn't decide if this should be in the success thread or the con man or clown thread but decide that the con man or clown thread would be best as this man is up their with menard.
Gents,ladies and anybody else i've left out, i present 'Herald meets Max
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbO5ylC92iU
no need to thank me.
 
That's brilliant, bob.:D
I never knew that wehen I was "taught" at school it was actually a reference to tort:D
And the law society has copyright on legalese:D

Mind you he does blow whatever credibility he has away when he says that reading a law dictionary is "good enough" to learn law.
 
It would appear Menard has been lurking here again and has chosen to answer my post on Ickes rather than here (says a lot doesnt it :rolleyes:)
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059774655&postcount=266
I will show you how easy it is to debunk him by agreeing with him again
Menard wrote

Agreement connotes a choice, and implies consent, and since we are all equal, I too must have a choice and be free to exercise it, after all others apparently exercised their right to decide and choose and agree, therefore so must I, if we agree we are all equal. Just because everyone else choose one thing, does not mean I no longer have any choice at all, and that my choice was made for me, by others, when they got to choose for themselves apparently.
Agreed, and that very same rule applies to others who choose not to agree with you withdrawing your consent to the laws.
Thus due to us all being equal before the law, I have a right to choose, and to opt out of the agreements and contracts and associations others chose to enter into even if everyone else agreed to it, or what is far closer to the truth, acquiesce to unlawful demands because standing against them seems too difficult.
And by your own argument the people have a right to ignore your opt out whilst you are living among them as you have no contract with them.
Lets break it down for the lurkers and neophytes.

1- Equality means no one can govern you without your agreement or consent.
Correct, and that same rule applies when you try and impose your rules on them.
2- Even if everyone else around you agrees to be governed themselves, they can only agree for themselves. That is the very nature of agreement.
Correct, but if you impose on them by breaking their laws they will stop you.
3- It does not mean justice can not be served if you break the law, nor does it mean some sort of license to break the law.
Correct
4- It does mean someone trying to regulate and govern you without consent or when you are not breaking the law, is actually the one breaking the law.
The law is what the majority agrees, its not down to the individual.
5-Law does not require consent, but for someone else's rules to be considered the law, consent is clearly required. It simply requires mutual agreement, and without that mutual agreement, then someone has been denied choice, while the other party exercised it. This is breaking the law for it abandons equality.
Law doesnt require consent?? Hes talking about Karma and Gravity again here if people are confused.
6- The idea that the majority rules, and that the mob decides, is to me an abandonment of personal responsibility, and it would not suffice as excuse in a riotous situation for a rioter facing criminal charges for actions while a part of a mob. Either we all have choice, or we are not all equal, and to say, well, we just counted 51% and now none of you who have not been counted get a choice, is to demand I be a member of your mob, and go along with it without agreement.
If we didnt have majority rule then we would have anarchy, and then no one would have any rights.
WHERE/WHO WOULD YOU GO TO IF YOUR RIGHTS WERE INFRINGED UPON?
7- To agree equality is paramount, and then claim 'we get a choice while you do not', is to abandon it before you leave the dock. It is nonsense.
Again he simply doesnt recognise the entire flaw in his own theory by making this statement.
His entire theory is that "I withdraw my consent and you do not get a choice"
I trust this will bring clarity to the confused.
Theres only one person confused Rob ;)
 
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That's brilliant, bob.:D
I never knew that wehen I was "taught" at school it was actually a reference to tort:D
And the law society has copyright on legalese:D

Mind you he does blow whatever credibility he has away when he says that reading a law dictionary is "good enough" to learn law.

I've watched it twice and Max makes me feel so embarrassed for him that he could be related to David Brent. I like how he asks her if she is talking to him as a human being, if it was me i would have replied no pal i'm a straw, a short straw, since my editor has sent me down to your filthy kitchen :D
 
That's brilliant, bob.:D
I never knew that wehen I was "taught" at school it was actually a reference to tort:D
And the law society has copyright on legalese:D

Mind you he does blow whatever credibility he has away when he says that reading a law dictionary is "good enough" to learn law.

No, no, no!!! Both you & 'Max' are wrong. 'Tort' refers to a particularly tasty Vienesse cake :D

Herewith:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachertorte#Legal_issues
 
I've been away for a while but i've a friend who persists in trying to draw me in by sending me freeman stuff he regards as a victory and this is too funny to not spread to your good-selves.
This video is so jaw droppingly stupid and the freeman Max is perhaps the worlds most patronising man i can't quite believe it. When you watch (and you will:D) you will not be able to cope with how pompous he is, it's absolutely hilarious, honestly, it's achingly beautiful in it's content of woo (almost every word he speaks is woo),it's sheer patronising delivery is of Olympic standard. The look of smugness he has when he's explaining himself to a female reporter from the local paper is pure class, the fact he is so unaware of how he looks just makes it all the funnier.
I couldn't decide if this should be in the success thread or the con man or clown thread but decide that the con man or clown thread would be best as this man is up their with menard.
Gents,ladies and anybody else i've left out, i present 'Herald meets Max
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbO5ylC92iU
no need to thank me.

OMG that is a classic. Pretty much the full gamut of freeman madness in one interview. And really funny at the same time! Thank you Bob for this brilliant addition.
 
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This video is so jaw droppingly stupid... .

Both stupid and amazing at the same time. It would be interesting to get the opinion of a psychiatrist based on the video alone.

I am not an expert on this individual, and have no intention of looking into such matters, but does anyone happen to know who "the lady of the house" is who he refers to in another video of his?
I can't believe the guy is married as he seems to live with his brother.

Or perhaps, in FreemanWoo, the Lady of The House is his brother?
 
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If you spend any time on freeman forums you will discover they all seem to have an anal fixation, they keep referring to having things shoved up their arses by "the man"
 
Both stupid and amazing at the same time. It would be interesting to get the opinion of a psychiatrist based on the video alone.

I am not an expert on this individual, and have no intention of looking into such matters, but does anyone happen to know who "the lady of the house" is who he refers to in another video of his?
I can't believe the guy is married as he seems to live with his brother.

Or perhaps, in FreemanWoo, the Lady of The House is his brother?

This is a good idea in fact. I have a friend who is a psychiatrist. I don't think he is aware of freeman-on-the-land or sovereign ideas (lucky for him he doesn't run into it in his profession as regularly as I do). But perhaps I'll send him this link and see if he is prepared to give me his thoughts (obviously a proper diagnosis can't be made from a youtube vidoe, but still it could be interesting.)
 
If your friend could give an off-the-record, just on first-looks opinion I think it would be very telling.

Obviously there is the major element of Paranoia. However it would be interesting to hear a professional's explanation, or rather diagnosis, for that smug condescending manner he demonstrates.
My knowledge of Psychiatric wordisms is very limited.

I would still like to know who the "lady of the house is" though. I really hope it's not his sister.

I don't think he is aware of freeman-on-the-land or sovereign ideas (lucky for him he doesn't run into it in his profession as regularly as I do)

Luckily most people haven't heard of them or ever will.
This doesn't mean, however, that they do not pose real dangers to certain members of the community.

Looking back a few years I believe I have met one of these types. Couldn't put a label on his wierdness at the time but FOTL-Woo was definitely in play.
 
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Menard has an outstanding arrest warrant against him? Or something? I can't imagine him being very hard to find, right now he's advertising a "show" he will be presenting in Montreal next Monday.

The constant misrepresentation as a "peace officer" is annoying, too.

I do have to wonder who he thinks he's kidding, though. I vote on the side of "clown". It's one thing to be able to convince the ignorant who desperately want to believe you, it's another thing to expect to fool the commissioner of the RCMP.

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=9346

March 25th, 2011
TO: William J.S. Elliott, Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,
CC: TWIMC
Hello and good day.
I am Robert-Arthur: Menard a Freeman-on-the-Land and a duly sworn peace officer with the Canadian Common Corps of Peace Officers. Recently I learned that some people claiming to be peace officers, likely RCMP, attended the place of business of an online friend who resides in British Columbia, and asked questions concerning the growing Freeman movement and in particular the location of Robert Arthur Menard.

Since I have been known to lawfully use that name, and I am a vocal advocate for freedom and government accountability, I have made enemies in some law societies, and some people employed by the courts, various governments and police forces may in fact fear the words I lawfully speak to the public and I believe they are abusing their trust in order to silence me and interfere with lawful public discourse and peaceful political actions. I believe they are abusing their authority in order to silence those who question that authority.

I believe they are attempting to silence me by abusing their role in the justice system and attempting to bring charges to bear against me, contrary to Section 465(1) (b) of the Criminal Code of Canada. It states in part:

Conspiracy
465. (1) Except where otherwise expressly provided by law, the following provisions apply in respect of conspiracy:
(a) every one who conspires with any one to commit murder or to cause another person to be murdered, whether in Canada or not, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a maximum term of imprisonment for life;
(b) every one who conspires with any one to prosecute a person for an alleged offence, knowing that he did not commit that offence, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable
(i) to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years, if the alleged offence is one for which, on conviction, that person would be liable to be sentenced to imprisonment for life or for a term not exceeding fourteen years, or
(ii) to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years, if the alleged offence is one for which, on conviction, that person would be liable to imprisonment for less than fourteen years;
(c) every one who conspires with any one to commit an indictable offence not provided for in paragraph (a) or (b) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to the same punishment as that to which an accused who is guilty of that offence would, on conviction, be liable; and
(d) every one who conspires with any one to commit an offence punishable on summary conviction is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

I know the law well enough to know that I do not counsel people to break the law, nor do I provide legal advice. I do not know for certain that there is a prosecution being sought nor if charges are pending, or if an endorsed warrant being enforced, however I do know the RCMP have my email, and if they wished to contact me they could very easily, and sending armed men to find me speaks volumes, and tells me they may wish to seize, abduct and possibly harm me. If there is a warrant for my arrest, there must have been an investigation, and if this was initiated by someone in the government, law society or the courts, and not due to a complaint by a member of the public, it is clearly an effort to silence me for the way I speak of those organizations.

If there are charges pending under the Income Tax Act, then the people who brought the charges and allegations either know or should know that due to the fact that I am not associated with a S.I.N. I have no obligations under that Act, as I do not have an account with the commercial entity known as Canada Revenue Agency nor am I associated with them.

If there are charges for disobeying either the people operating the courts or the government, then they know or should know that those are de facto in nature and Section 15 of the Criminal Code does not criminalize disobeying them, and further that a claim of right has been served on them, and permanent estoppel by acquiescence has been achieved by myself barring them from lawfully bringing charges under statutes or otherwise attempting to govern me without my consent.

Furthermore, I believe they do monitor my Facebook page and are aware that I am arranging for a cross country publicly monitored series of judicial determinations which will quite likely disempower them and possibly open them to criminal liability, and I believe it is for this reason charges are being sought.

Furthermore, I believe they know I have lawful excuse for all my actions by way of being compelled by my faith and by color of right and claim of right, and as one of the more preeminent members of the Freeman movement, seek to make an example of me, for disobeying them, and teaching others how they can lawfully establish lawful excuse to disobey them.

Furthermore, they either know or should know that consent is required for them to attempt to govern another, they know or should know I have revoked that consent, and they have no lawful right to attempt to govern me, nor drag me through a very onerous judicial system to defend myself against fraudulent charges.

Further I believe this conspiracy goes right to the top and that Stephen Harper either likely initiated these actions, or is aware of them and did nothing to stop the conspiracy, likely for fear of the fact that I have spoken of convening proper lawful courts de jure and seeing him and others face charges within said courts.

I firmly believe that a proper and impartial investigation will reveal these charges, if they exist, were initiated by people who would benefit by silencing me, and who would be open to criminal liability if the changes in our political system I foresee occur and that they know the charges are spurious and unwarranted, and they seek them anyway to silence a government critic and freedom advocate who questions their authority and they way in which they exercise that authority.

Therefore I demand a proper investigation be conducted to determine if there is a warrant and if there is who exactly initiated it.

Once that is known, if there is a warrant endorsed which the police seek to enforce, I demand that the effect of this action be examined to determine if there is a possibility that the people who brought the charges and/or initiated the investigation did so due to a complaint by a member of the public, or, was it due to someone in a law society, a court, government agency or police force who did so without an originating incident report number. If so I want them investigated to determine if they conspired with others and if so I want all parties charged and prosecuted.

Until this investigation is complete, any enforcement of any warrant against me is an unlawful act and opens the door to charges of complicity by those enforcing it, as they either now know or should know that the allegations herein have been made.

Furthermore I am a peaceful man, and a sworn peace officer, and no violence or force is necessary or warranted in order to ‘bring me in’. Any violence will be treated as an assault on a peace officer, and if after a proper investigation a warrant, if it exists, is deemed lawfully created, and not due to a conspiracy as herein alleged, will be lawfully dealt with by this Freeman-on-the-Land.

For the purpose of ensuring justice is served, I reserve the right to serve this Notice on members of the public and the media.

Sincerely and without malice aforethought, ill will vexation or frivolity,
I AM

Robert-Arthur: Menard
Freeman-on-the-Land
Chief of the Peace
Canadian Common Corps of Peace Officers.

END

Anyone know his personal email?
 
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