Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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the most disgraceful side of Menard's behavior is that he doesn't even practice what he preaches.

He tells others to de-register their car, yet he doesn't drive???????
He tells people to stop paying tax, he doesn't pay tax himself because he has no definable income.
He tells people to send back utility bills A4V, yet he himself does not get utility bills because he rents "all in"????????(if A4V worked surely he could get a better apartment and A4V the bills)

The man is a total fraud

PS Hello Rob :)
He lurks here to see what we are saying about him.
 
Menard is knowingly selling (i.e., charges actual dollars) fraudulent legal advice to vulnerable and not-too-bright people. He causes these people to get into serious legal trouble. He is also attempting to set up a vigilante "police" force to challenge the authority of the actual police, and he openly threatens to seize crown land.

He is a potentially harmful, cancerous lesion on Canadian society. He is not a benevolent truth-seeker.

He's also pathetic and ineffectual, so mocking him on public internet forums is really all the attention he deserves.

I prefer to describe him as a syphilitic chancre - it's more apt :)
 
It matters to his victims and potential victims. Rob's charging people real money, that many of them can't afford, for really bad legal advice. Legal advice that demonstrably results in things like increased fines, criminal prosecutions, asset seizure, and jail time.

The best that could happen if you poured $500 into his pocket would be that you're out $500. The worst is that you're out $500, a car, and get to spend the next several months in jail.

I understand wanting to "sort out the mess in [my] own little way," but when "my" way to "sort out the mess" involves breaking into your house and stealing your money and your car, you might object to my attitude....

Well, let's see. "I have too little money, and that upsets me. I will try and change that by stealing 1pso fact0's car."

Like that idea?

i have not got a car, steven hasn't gave me one yet :p

but if people are silly enough to buy information that they can get for free, and find there own way for free, i say let them get on with it.

Menard has not tried to sell me anything, i watched his vidz for free and if he is robbing people then it is up to the people to say if they have been robbed. I'm sure he said he does not charge for his information, so how can he be robbing?

The thing is if people took responsability [the freeman way] for themselves, then there would be no need to buy information.
 
the most disgraceful side of Menard's behavior is that he doesn't even practice what he preaches.

He tells others to de-register their car, yet he doesn't drive???????
He tells people to stop paying tax, he doesn't pay tax himself because he has no definable income.
He tells people to send back utility bills A4V, yet he himself does not get utility bills because he rents "all in"????????(if A4V worked surely he could get a better apartment and A4V the bills)

The man is a total fraud

PS Hello Rob :)
He lurks here to see what we are saying about him.

I would like to know more about A4V because it sounds very nice but i do not think it works out side of theory - all the back ground info is sound in theory, certainly it has a sense of real about it, i have yet to meet any one who has conqured it tho.

:D
 
I would like to know more about A4V because it sounds very nice
Sure does. Something for nothing would be a great deal.
but i do not think it works
Correct.
out side of theory
Incorrect.
- all the back ground info is sound in theory,
No. No it isn't.
certainly it has a sense of real about it,
Nope.
i have yet to meet any one who has conqured it tho.
Yup.

If you really think the theory is sound, please explain.
 
I would like to know more about A4V

What's to know? It's legally gibberish.

because it sounds very nice but i do not think it works out side of theory - all the back ground info is sound in theory

Not in the slightest.

It's yet another of those attempts by the frootloop legal theoreticians to unilaterally create a binding contract. The legal arglebargle around the term applies (in the real world) when, for example, someone sends you a bill for $10,000, but you only have $2,000 -- and you successfully negotiate with your creditor that he'll take the two grand as payment in full rather than wasting time trying to sue a turnip into giving blood.


The frootloop idea is that you can skip all this tedious "meeting of the minds" and simply impose a contract on the other person by writing magic words on the check. Of course, this doesn't work. From some whacktard site or other:

A4V is based on contract law. If you think there is a presumption of a
preexisting contract through which you are presumed to be a debtor that has
supposedly pledged property and your liberty as security for some presumed value
given by the United States, it might be very important for you to negotiate some better
terms in a counteroffer. If the issuer of the instrument for value does not counter
your counteroffer, you are in a much better position.

Not at all. If the issuer doesn't counter your counteroffer and simply rejects it... or simply ignores it, for that matter, then you're in exactly the situation you were before you made the counteroffer, but you've wasted both your time and his and possibly ticked him off.

Of course, the entire idea that tax payments and whatnot can be dealt with through "contract law" is patently ridiculous on the face; taxes are imposed by statute and no contract is involved. But even where a contract is involved (for example, with your phone bill), if you "A4V" your phone bill, the company will simply cut you off and sue you for the balance.
 
The thing is if people took responsability [the freeman way] for themselves, then there would be no need to buy information.

If people took responsibility "the freeman way" for themselves, there would be no information available to buy. There might be some badly chipped flint tools, but that's about it.
 
If he said that, he is lying:

I cant post a url :mad: yet

He did say it over @ ickes :)

So A4V is based on an idea that the signature is currency, and as the bankers can't lend money they don't have it does fit that the bank funds a loan from a pot that is accesed by the signature. Seems quite logical to me. A4V is just another signature that allows access to the over all fund.

That is the way i have come to see what FMOLers say, and why there is no proof the theory to me sounds sound. Unless anyone is able to proove that loans are given on a base amount of money collateral in the bank and not on the strength of a signature? Are banks allowed to lend on the strength of their assets - i believed that if a bank had £1M in assets that it was able to lend up to 10 times that amount - but i do not know or understand where the £9M in loans is from.
 
He did say it over @ ickes :)
That figures.

So A4V is based on an idea that the signature is currency, and as the bankers can't lend money they don't have it does fit that the bank funds a loan from a pot that is accesed by the signature. Seems quite logical to me. A4V is just another signature that allows access to the over all fund.

That is the way i have come to see what FMOLers say, and why there is no proof the theory to me sounds sound. Unless anyone is able to proove that loans are given on a base amount of money collateral in the bank and not on the strength of a signature? Are banks allowed to lend on the strength of their assets - i believed that if a bank had £1M in assets that it was able to lend up to 10 times that amount - but i do not know or understand where the £9M in loans is from.

drkitten, do you wanna take this one?
 
He did say it over @ ickes :)

So A4V is based on an idea that the signature is currency, and as the bankers can't lend money they don't have it does fit that the bank funds a loan from a pot that is accesed by the signature. Seems quite logical to me. A4V is just another signature that allows access to the over all fund.

That is the way i have come to see what FMOLers say, and why there is no proof the theory to me sounds sound. Unless anyone is able to proove that loans are given on a base amount of money collateral in the bank and not on the strength of a signature? Are banks allowed to lend on the strength of their assets - i believed that if a bank had £1M in assets that it was able to lend up to 10 times that amount - but i do not know or understand where the £9M in loans is from.
you think that a theory that says there is a big pot of money that can be dished out on the strength on your signature is sound ????? Where do they keep this pot, at the end of a rainbow?
You seem to be tentatively coming out as a freeman, which is nice for you. Why don't you scuttle off to the icke site and convince some of the mongs there to come over and defend themselves, no wait, sorry, they are too stupid for that,i was forgetting they need protection from melondrone. He's like a social worker for retards only instead of helping them see things in the real world only delusions are allowed.
 
Its not just merlincove protecting them.
I think all the admin team may be pro freeman, someone posted the other day thanking "I_am" (technical advisor)for all their help and guidance.

They dare not show their faces on any other forum as they cannot back up any of their ludicrous claims, which is hardly a surprise with the material they have to work with.

Steven1 seems to be doing a good job over there, even Menard has starting to request proof that steven has sent of his notices and is indeed a freeman on the land.
I think it gets Menards goat that steven says he is equal in standing to Menard in freeman status.
Letters sent off to the Queen and Prime Minister and thats it you are a freeman on the land.
Its easy :D
 
drkitten, do you wanna take this one?

I'm on it. (Putting the E in JREF.....)

So A4V is based on an idea that the signature is currency, and as the bankers can't lend money they don't have it does fit that the bank funds a loan from a pot that is accesed by the signature.

Not really. Banks fund loans from the pot of deposits they already have. Essentially, they double-count the money (it's owed to two places at once), which sounds problematic in theory but in practice is generally sound.


Are banks allowed to lend on the strength of their asset

That's exactly what they do.

What do you think happens to money you deposit in the bank? The bank needs to generate income somewhere -- aside from the fact that they have rent to pay, equipment to buy, and tellers with an annoying habit of eating regularly, they also owe me interest on my deposit. They make their money by re-lending out the money that I deposit. The old rule of 3-6-3 covers it quite well. "Pay interest at 3%, charge interest at 6%, be at the golf course at 3pm."


i believed that if a bank had £1M in assets that it was able to lend up to 10 times that amount - but i do not know or understand where the £9M in loans is from.

Re-lending. Let's assume that I deposit $1000 in crisp new twenties into the bank. Then someone (maybe you) comes along and wants to borrow $1000 to buy a new stereo system for their band. The bank checks out the credit report and says "sure, here's the $1000 [and you owe us $1/week in interest on top of that]," and then they hand you that same stack of twenties.

At this point, you go buy your equipment, and the electronics dealer has the twenties. But he doesn't want to carry a stack of twenties with him, so he's going to go back to the bank and deposit that stack into his account.

At this point, a third person can come along and ask to borrow $1000, and get handed that same stack of twenties, which he spends and gets redeposited in the bank. After ten such people, the bank has total deposits of $11,000, plus outstanding loans of $10,000. So the bank's "capital" is still only $1000 ($11,000-$10,000) but they've lent that stack of twenties out ten times

In theory, there's no limit to the number of times that stack of twenties can go in and out of the bank. It could get handed around until the numbers are worn off the bills. In practice, the law says that you can only lend out, say, half of the money you get deposited. So the bank could only give you $500 of my initial $1000, and then give the third person $250 of the redeposited $500, and then the next borrower $125 of the redeposited $250, and so forth.

$500 + $250 + $125 + ... = $1000. So if the bank can lend out half of the money, $1000 in assets supports $1000 in loans.

But at this point the bankers start to whine "why can't I loan out 80% of the money instead of half?" If that were the case, you could get $800 of my initial $1000, the third guy could get $640 of the redeposited $800, the next $512 of $640, and so forth.

$800 + $640 + $512 + ... = $4000. So if the bank can lend out 80%, $1000 in assets supports $4000 in loans to the community.

If the banks can lend out 90%, $1000 in assets supports $9000 in loans.
If the banks can lend out 95%, $1000 in assets supports $19000 in loans.
If the banks can lend out 99%, $1000 in assets supports $99000 in loans.

So why don't banks just lend out all their money? Well, because the law won't let them. But the reason the law won't let them is because they still need to have enough cash on hand to cover the amount of deposits they expect people to withdraw. The chances of my withdrawing all of my money is pretty slim. The chances of everyone withdrawing all of their money at the same time is even slimmer. But the chances of my dropping by to withdraw $50 or so is pretty good, so they need enough cash on hand to cover that.
 
Menard seems to have gotten himself into a fix over on Ickes with steven1
he wrote
If you are surrounded on four sides by people who have chosen to put up fences, are you not then surrounded by fences? Even though they are not your own, are you still not fenced in? I do not think you truly share the Freeman perspective steven. You are obviously faking it, and doing a very poor job. You are only ever as free as your neighbours.
He seems to be of the opinion that steven cant be a freeman because the people around him are not themselves free.

Sort of poo poos his entire argument of him being a freeman as well, unless everyone around him are freemen too.:D
 
I would add that one reason the fraction system was created is that lending out only the money you have isn't enough to run a bank, you cannot make enough to make it viable. It's not economically feasible. The Italians figure that out in the 14th century or more correctly they determined that you can make a lot of money loaning out more money than you actually have.

OR

You have to charge ruinous rates of interest.
 
Clown again :D
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138579
He responds to posters he claims to have on ignore???, there must be something wrong with the ignore function on Ickes or hes doing it wrong.
steven 1 wrote
Can you please put me on ignore as you promised please Rob, I would rather not have your negative energy on my threads
Rob wrote
You are. Does not mean I can't also be a part of discussions. Just ignore me dude!

hes a laugh a minute :)
 
Meynard is a nasty piece of work as he has just once again so ably proven over on Ickes. Clown is not a word I would use to describe him - it is far too polite.
 
Menard seems to have gotten himself into a fix over on Ickes with steven1
he wrote

He seems to be of the opinion that steven cant be a freeman because the people around him are not themselves free.

Sort of poo poos his entire argument of him being a freeman as well, unless everyone around him are freemen too.:D
I love how he tries to get out of this one.

Turns out, there are three levels of freedom and poor steven1 is stuck at level two.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059309185&postcount=3

Funny how Menard doesn't actually want to explain this interesting new twist. I guess to get to OT III on the Bridge to Total Freedom you have to shell out some cash for DVDs and books. That's when you get to learn about Xenu and the space planes. Or whatever.
 
O dear. He's now dispensing medical advice. He's telling an Icke member that debt stress caused her cancer and that marijuana oil will cure it. Oh, and dogs will help. And that was after telling her to stop being lazy and to get a job. (What is Menard's job again?).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138809

Truly a full spectrum jackass.
 
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