Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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It does always seem to come back to some set of rules no one can present that were handed down by a creator.
 
D'rok said:
God? Most of them seem to be believers of some stripe or another.
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Sledge said:
It does always seem to come back to some set of rules no one can present that were handed down by a creator.
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And from this, We can declare Ourselves Atheists on The Land, subject to no rules whatsoever, as it's clear to us there is no greater authority than our own egos.


Which makes us just as pompous, but far more honest, than the FOTLs.
 
D'rok said:
But then you can just go to court, refuse to identify yourself, get the judge pissed off enough to call a recess, declare yourself the highest authority and dismiss the case.

It's foolproof.
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Or the judge declares you in contempt of court and you get to go to prison until you purge that contempt.
 
Stacey Grove said:
Foolproof indeed.
However, the part I still cannot find the answer to is when the crime involves harm or loss suddenly everything changes and the sovereign finds himself powerless, he is forced to consent and is unable to dismiss the case.
Where did all that power go?
And.... who took it?
He is a sovereign.
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There was a coup.
 
All the talk of God, and the courts all adhere to God for judgement.

'And so help me god' - it even forms a part of the Coronation Oath and the oath of allegiance. So why bash FM for having a faith when the courts and judicial farce's have equal faith and build their structure of law on foundation of god?

If FM want to believe in god's laws then i think that is fine. A moral code is a good code, realy ::: just so long as it does not become a stick to beat other people with :D
 
it would appear that Menard is now asking fellow freemen to post evidence of their claims to being a freeman?

After years of refusing to provide any kind of evidence to back up his nonsense he is now demanding it of others
Clown again , for the time being. :D
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136257&page=7

Stevie when I served my notice, I got it published in the paper, at a cost of $500, I made over 1000 copies, and gave them away like candy and used registered mail to serve public figures and papers.

I did not hide my identity.

When you are identifying yourself properly, and you are sharing your lawfully served claim, then you can try to equate your actions with mine, until then, you are a child who claims to have achieved the same as I have, even though you have not served notices to anyone, nor identified yourself at all.

How can you speak of your integrity and its value being denigrated when no one knows who you are and you hide in the shadows like a punk? You claim you served notice, but when people ask you nicely for a copy of that which you served on the government, you get all pissy.

We have a right to ask you to prove your claim that you have served notice as you claim on the government.

Your refusal to show us evidence as to who you are, and that you did in fact serve notice just shows you are still doing the asky dance.

If you are not fearful, why not share the information and share your claim? After all, you have to serve public notice, yet no member of the public is aware of your notice.

To whom did you serve your notice? How did you serve it? What evidence do you have that you did serve it?

YOU HAVE NOTHING! Prove me wrong. Show us the claims you served.

Wanna know how we know you are a punk steve? You do not identify yourself yet claim to have served lawful public notice. Had you done that there would be neither need nor desire to continue to hide your identity.

So we know you lie, and are untrustworthy.
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I think by "post evidence" he means "buy my DVD". Or maybe "buy a WFS membership".
 
jargon buster said:
it would appear that Menard is now asking fellow freemen to post evidence of their claims to being a freeman?

After years of refusing to provide any kind of evidence to back up his nonsense he is now demanding it of others
Clown again , for the time being. :D
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136257&page=7
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Steven 1 has now become a freeman and menard ain't that welcoming. You'd think he want all the members he could get. Even Darren Dullard has seen thru the nonsense. I would say there must be a combined membership of about five and it's getting less.
I think believing in the whole icke cult must have a pattern; you find out that "they" have been lying to you; you watch a couple of films and then you wake up; you then spend the next two years telling others how you've discovered the truth;once you've lost all your friends and your wife leaves you,you then start to think maybe it's all bollocks and make a retreat back to reality but by that time you've paid 60 quid to see icke,maybe spent a few quid on books and dvd's and icke and menrad etc have moved on to the next muppet who wants to wake up; off course there are a couple of exceptions, folks like bones and boots and a couple of others are so stupid that they have become cheerleaders for the movement;barely educated stoners who live their lives on the dole and have reduced themselves to a delusional belief that they are not just lazy feckers with no brains but freedom fighters against the elite, so dim they think they are clever; it's actually quite sad.
Menard con man or clown? con man,yes, clown, no, retard,moron,loser,weirdo, yes, well not a weirdo,he'd love to be weird,he'd love to be an artist, but is just a plain old fraudster
 
BobHaulk said:
Steven 1 has now become a freeman and menard ain't that welcoming. You'd think he want all the members he could get. Even Darren Dullard has seen thru the nonsense. I would say there must be a combined membership of about five and it's getting less.
I think believing in the whole icke cult must have a pattern; you find out that "they" have been lying to you; you watch a couple of films and then you wake up; you then spend the next two years telling others how you've discovered the truth;once you've lost all your friends and your wife leaves you,you then start to think maybe it's all bollocks and make a retreat back to reality but by that time you've paid 60 quid to see icke,maybe spent a few quid on books and dvd's and icke and menrad etc have moved on to the next muppet who wants to wake up; off course there are a couple of exceptions, folks like bones and boots and a couple of others are so stupid that they have become cheerleaders for the movement;barely educated stoners who live their lives on the dole and have reduced themselves to a delusional belief that they are not just lazy feckers with no brains but freedom fighters against the elite, so dim they think they are clever; it's actually quite sad.
Menard con man or clown? con man,yes, clown, no, retard,moron,loser,weirdo, yes, well not a weirdo,he'd love to be weird,he'd love to be an artist, but is just a plain old fraudster
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Sums it up about right.
 
I think Steven1 should be nominated for a special Randi award for causing absolute mayhem on the Icke FMOTL forum - he's done better than almost all of the other 'antis' who've been & gone. His conversion to FMOTL was a stroke of genius.

Chapeau Steven1
 
The irony of it all, steven1 has been put on warning over on Ickes.
It would appear they are banning their believers now along with the skeptics.:jaw-dropp

You couldn't make it up.
 
BobHaulk said:
I think believing in the whole icke cult must have a pattern; you find out that "they" have been lying to you; you watch a couple of films and then you wake up; you then spend the next two years telling others how you've discovered the truth;once you've lost all your friends and your wife leaves you,you then start to think maybe it's all bollocks and make a retreat back to reality but by that time you've paid 60 quid to see icke,maybe spent a few quid on books and dvd's and icke and menrad etc have moved on to the next muppet who wants to wake up; off course there are a couple of exceptions, folks like bones and boots and a couple of others are so stupid that they have become cheerleaders for the movement;barely educated stoners who live their lives on the dole and have reduced themselves to a delusional belief that they are not just lazy feckers with no brains but freedom fighters against the elite, so dim they think they are clever; it's actually quite sad.
Menard con man or clown? con man,yes, clown, no, retard,moron,loser,weirdo, yes, well not a weirdo,he'd love to be weird,he'd love to be an artist, but is just a plain old fraudster
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This is the best 1 paragraph summary I've seen of the FMOTL movement. About 5 people on a forum pretending to be freedom fighters while living on the dole. Its so...deliciously...ironic.
 
gtm said:
I think Steven1 should be nominated for a special Randi award for causing absolute mayhem on the Icke FMOTL forum - he's done better than almost all of the other 'antis' who've been & gone. His conversion to FMOTL was a stroke of genius.

Chapeau Steven1
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Yeah I love it, and he acts exactly like a FMOTLer trying to get out of legitimately owned debts and then they don't know how to respond to him.
 
I like steven1, the "Superfreeman", who can remove consent not just to statutes, but to common law as well.

The FOTL numpties having fits about that is truly priceless.
 
jargon buster said:
The irony of it all, steven1 has been put on warning over on Ickes.
It would appear they are banning their believers now along with the skeptics.:jaw-dropp

You couldn't make it up.
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Shame about steven1 being banned. Most of the fun to be had is all but gone,what with the freemen banning free speech. Have you seen the quality of the posts the freemen bring? Jeez it's poor. The only thing keeping them going was those laughing at them.
I'm glad i'm banned and now i wish they'd stop sending me their stupid newsletter, no matter how i try they just won't stop sending them.
 
BobHaulk said:
Shame about steven1 being banned. Most of the fun to be had is all but gone,what with the freemen banning free speech. Have you seen the quality of the posts the freemen bring? Jeez it's poor. The only thing keeping them going was those laughing at them.
I'm glad i'm banned and now i wish they'd stop sending me their stupid newsletter, no matter how i try they just won't stop sending them.
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I read the posts here and they are all full of negativities, all complaining about what other people do or say - like you haven't got a life of your own, and live a substitute life to complain about others trying to find solutions.

Does it matter what Menard is saying or doing or if steven is banned or happy causing ripples? At least he is trying to sort out the mess in his own little way and being + about it :D

All i see here is one after one post ripping into people who live their life in a different way and no one posting any solutions. Steven found a solution in his own way and if it makes him happy then i think is good, same as Menard, if he is happy then what is it to anyone here, or there, or anywhere?

I wonder if we are living in the twenty first C or in the 1950's when people used to complain to each other over there garden fences about things rather than try and change the things that upset them?
 
1pso fact0 said:
I read the posts here and they are all full of negativities, all complaining about what other people do or say - like you haven't got a life of your own, and live a substitute life to complain about others trying to find solutions.

Does it matter what Menard is saying or doing or if steven is banned or happy causing ripples? At least he is trying to sort out the mess in his own little way and being + about it :D

All i see here is one after one post ripping into people who live their life in a different way and no one posting any solutions. Steven found a solution in his own way and if it makes him happy then i think is good, same as Menard, if he is happy then what is it to anyone here, or there, or anywhere?

I wonder if we are living in the twenty first C or in the 1950's when people used to complain to each other over there garden fences about things rather than try and change the things that upset them?
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Menard is knowingly selling (i.e., charges actual dollars) fraudulent legal advice to vulnerable and not-too-bright people. He causes these people to get into serious legal trouble. He is also attempting to set up a vigilante "police" force to challenge the authority of the actual police, and he openly threatens to seize crown land.

He is a potentially harmful, cancerous lesion on Canadian society. He is not a benevolent truth-seeker.

He's also pathetic and ineffectual, so mocking him on public internet forums is really all the attention he deserves.
 
1pso fact0;6386383 Does it matter what Menard is saying or doing [... said:
? At least he is trying to sort out the mess in his own little way and being + about it
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It matters to his victims and potential victims. Rob's charging people real money, that many of them can't afford, for really bad legal advice. Legal advice that demonstrably results in things like increased fines, criminal prosecutions, asset seizure, and jail time.

The best that could happen if you poured $500 into his pocket would be that you're out $500. The worst is that you're out $500, a car, and get to spend the next several months in jail.

I understand wanting to "sort out the mess in [my] own little way," but when "my" way to "sort out the mess" involves breaking into your house and stealing your money and your car, you might object to my attitude....



I wonder if we are living in the twenty first C or in the 1950's when people used to complain to each other over there garden fences about things rather than try and change the things that upset them?
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Well, let's see. "I have too little money, and that upsets me. I will try and change that by stealing 1pso fact0's car."

Like that idea?
 
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