Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

Distracted1 said:
Bit of a point there.
The bravery of being out of range is strong on this forum.
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But not quite as strong as the aroma of bull **** coming from the “law and order” hand-wringers who strangely seem most concerned with petty crimes.
 
I see that the "All we are saying, is give violence a chance" crowd are overjoyed and super impressed and pleased with themselves that the douchebags they love and support are not as bad as NAZIs and right-wing militias plotting to kidnap US govenors. I'm super impressed with you guys. You are far far better. I agree. You've managed to be better than white supremeists and that is something to take pride in. The left is clearly winning in who are the biggest ******** in raw numbers:
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johnny karate said:
I’ve never seen someone so concerned with the safety and well-being of glass. Is this some weird cult that I’m not familiar with?
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Yes, the night of broken glass worked out so well the last time around, what's the big deal?
 
Brainster said:
Yes, the night of broken glass worked out so well the last time around, what's the big deal?
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Hey look, a conservative is finally expressing concern about crimes committed by Nazis and white supremacists.

Too bad it’s for something that happened over 80 years ago.
 
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Distracted1 said:
Imagine that. Discussing riots, looting, and vandalism in this thread of all places.
Certainly you could point to the one more suited to that.....?
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Plenty of right wingers rioting, according to the strict definition you insist on using.

How many of them have you condemned in this thread?
 
portlandatheist said:
I see that the "All we are saying, is give violence a chance" crowd are overjoyed and super impressed and pleased with themselves that the douchebags they love and support are not as bad as NAZIs and right-wing militias plotting to kidnap US govenors. I'm super impressed with you guys. You are far far better. I agree. You've managed to be better than white supremeists and that is something to take pride in. The left is clearly winning in who are the biggest ******** in raw numbers:
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Cool. Now show the data on who is actually committing the political violence.
 
johnny karate said:
Cool. Now show the data on who is actually committing the political violence.
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I don't have that data but it is clearly conservatives that are committing more violence. Why does that matter to you or to anybody in regards to left-wing rioting? Does that change the calculus about first degree arson and blocking the escape? Does that act become less evil? Does destroying a native American nonprofit in Minneapolis make more sense in light of right wing violence? Does the fact that support in the general public for Black Lives Matter has declined since the rioting matter in light of right wing violence?
For radicals, this presumption doesn’t require shedding tears for the insurers of, say, a ransacked Minneapolis Target. It just requires recognizing that most spasms of robbery or arson aren’t the revolution but often a ritual reaffirmation of the status quo — a period of misrule that doesn’t try to establish an alternative order or permanently change any hierarchies, as a true revolution would, but instead leaves the lower orders poorer and the well-insured upper classes more or less restored.
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portlandatheist said:
I don't have that data but it is clearly conservatives that are committing more violence. Why does that matter to you or to anybody in regards to left-wing rioting? Does that change the calculus about first degree arson and blocking the escape? Does that act become less evil? Does destroying a native American nonprofit in Minneapolis make more sense in light of right wing violence? Does the fact that support in the general public for Black Lives Matter has declined since the rioting matter in light of right wing violence?
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Right wing violence is far and away a bigger problem, as the events of this past week clearly demonstrate.

This of course doesn’t excuse left wing violence nor does it mean that people can’t criticize it.

But people who do that exclusively or make it seem like a more serious problem than it is are either ignoring a whole lot of context or are disingenuously trying to manipulate the narrative.
 
Is there any chance at all that this is no-wing violence? As in anti-establishment, but not actually for anything (except an extra heaping helping of generally hating far-righters, while still hating anyone in a suit)?
 
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There was only one resident in an apartment complex that had its windows broken out, the resident was a 70-year-old woman.

She was in her bedroom and her front window got smashed...she screamed, she started crying. She called me, by the time I got here...she couldn't stop shaking. I ended up loading her up into my vehicle and driving her to her sister's house in Grafton in hopes she would get some rest because I knew she wouldn't get rest here overnight.
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She sounds like a fascist, she deserves it.

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Another reactionary CHUD shot dead while trying to pepper spray someone. Details unclear at this point, but news claims the shooter was private security and was not part of the counter protest.

Lol get rekt.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/...ic-center-park/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

ETA: another angle shows the soon to be dead CHUD brandishing the can of mace while in an aggressive confrontation before getting shot out of frame.

****** around, found out.

https://twitter.com/UptoDateNewz/status/1315107820203900928?s=09

ETA2: might be that the private guard was hired by a news crew. Getting shot dead attacking a journalist, chef's kiss.

https://www.9news.com/amp/article/n...0-a777-a6fbe0730e0e?__twitter_impression=true
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Another reactionary CHUD shot dead while trying to pepper spray someone. Details unclear at this point, but news claims the shooter was private security and was not part of the counter protest.

Lol get rekt.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/...ic-center-park/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

ETA: another angle shows the soon to be dead CHUD brandishing the can of mace while in an aggressive confrontation before getting shot out of frame.

****** around, found out.

https://twitter.com/UptoDateNewz/status/1315107820203900928?s=09

ETA2: might be that the private guard was hired by a news crew. Getting shot dead attacking a journalist, chef's kiss.

https://www.9news.com/amp/article/n...0-a777-a6fbe0730e0e?__twitter_impression=true
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From the videos and images I've seen, it seems like a milquetoast boomer Trump supporter / patriot / cop supporting guy was part of a group that was getting confronted very aggressively by some BLM / Antifa types. BLM and Antifa openly talk about and pride themselves on a strategy of engaging in violence first, provoking, sucker punching, destroying, antagonizing.

I'm not sure who exactly the guy was who shot him, but from what I saw, the guy almost certainly felt he was reacting to aggressive behavior from the Antifa / BLM types around him and then got shot in the head for spraying some "get away from us" pepper spray.

Pepper spray is not lethal and he appeared to be trying to get people to move away from his group, but even if he was trying to be an aggressive ass himself, I don't see the justification in having opened fire on him.

The thing is, people know that these patriot boomer types are not out there looking to destroy anything or harm anyone. They want to stand around and maybe yell some slogans, wave flags, and they will react to the violence done by the other side.

Everyone, including BLM and Antifa themselves, understand that THEIR side is the side that initiates and brings disorder, violence, chaos, destruction, and aggression into situations where it did not previously exist. Every. single. time. It's not my opinion, it's not even just recognizing a consistent pattern - it's also their STATED approach.

So it is tangibly different for someone to shoot an Antifa or BLM person who displays aggression of any kind, because they are part of a group known to sucker punch, swing bike locks, toss molotovs, spray corrosive / eye-damaging chemicals, and surround and try to beat people to death. They are known to do this simply because they've identified someone as a business owner resisting their arson / looting, or identified someone as white, or conservative, etc.

Therefore, because of the significant difference in the two sides and their pattern / record of behavior, a much steeper hill needs to be climbed to end up appearing reasonably justified in shooting some boomer patriot guy. Those guys are REACTIVE. Those guys have literally zero record of coming up behind someone and swinging a bike lock at their skull.

Antifa is in the wrong by default, and stays that way pretty much regardless of any facts specific to certain instances. They are truly human refuse.

If the shooter here was some kind of security for media? First off, that sounds like BS to me, but if it's true? Then they behaved stupidly and should've had a much cooler head if that is their professional position. I'd be much more inclined to suspect them of being some Antifa POS with an itchy trigger finger excited to kill a white conservative male on the flimsiest of pretexts.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
From the videos and images I've seen, it seems like a milquetoast boomer Trump supporter / patriot / cop supporting guy was part of a group that was getting confronted very aggressively by some BLM / Antifa types. BLM and Antifa openly talk about and pride themselves on a strategy of engaging in violence first, provoking, sucker punching, destroying, antagonizing.

I'm not sure who exactly the guy was who shot him, but from what I saw, the guy almost certainly felt he was reacting to aggressive behavior from the Antifa / BLM types around him and then got shot in the head for spraying some "get away from us" pepper spray.

Pepper spray is not lethal and he appeared to be trying to get people to move away from his group, but even if he was trying to be an aggressive ass himself, I don't see the justification in having opened fire on him.

The thing is, people know that these patriot boomer types are not out there looking to destroy anything or harm anyone. They want to stand around and maybe yell some slogans, wave flags, and they will react to the violence done by the other side.

Everyone, including BLM and Antifa themselves, understand that THEIR side is the side that initiates and brings disorder, violence, chaos, destruction, and aggression into situations where it did not previously exist. Every. single. time. It's not my opinion, it's not even just recognizing a consistent pattern - it's also their STATED approach.

So it is tangibly different for someone to shoot an Antifa or BLM person who displays aggression of any kind, because they are part of a group known to sucker punch, swing bike locks, toss molotovs, spray corrosive / eye-damaging chemicals, and surround and try to beat people to death. They are known to do this simply because they've identified someone as a business owner resisting their arson / looting, or identified someone as white, or conservative, etc.

Therefore, because of the significant difference in the two sides and their pattern / record of behavior, a much steeper hill needs to be climbed to end up appearing reasonably justified in shooting some boomer patriot guy. Those guys are REACTIVE. Those guys have literally zero record of coming up behind someone and swinging a bike lock at their skull.

Antifa is in the wrong by default, and stays that way pretty much regardless of any facts specific to certain instances. They are truly human refuse.

If the shooter here was some kind of security for media? First off, that sounds like BS to me, but if it's true? Then they behaved stupidly and should've had a much cooler head if that is their professional position. I'd be much more inclined to suspect them of being some Antifa POS with an itchy trigger finger excited to kill a white conservative male on the flimsiest of pretexts.
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The FBI disagrees with you.
 
The Denver shooter works for Pinkerton, which has a contract to provide security for reporters of 9News, the local NBC affiliate. Pinkerton is a "real" security company, been around for more than a century (they were the ones hired to track down Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid way back when). These days one often sees their armored trucks used for transporting cash.

Right wing distrust of the media will only get amped up even more by this. Sounds like the news organization is probably not responsible - they hired a security company with a century of reputation, not just a bunch of random muscle heads. But then this happened, probably not what NBC had in mind or wanted when they contracted out with Pinkerton.

I have not had a chance yet to look at the video.


ETA: Photo, moments before the shooting of the victim slapping the shooter. Then the victim sprayed the shooter with bear spray and got shot in return.
 
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