Richard Dawkins -- Islamophobia?

blutoski said:
I would say yes, that's a good idea. Choose words carefully when you're insulting over a billion people. Sounds smart to me.

Wait, were you being sarcastic?





Not at all. My suggestion is not to hold people responsible for something somebody else did, just because of a superficial resemblance.

Atheists are very adamant that we shouldn't be held accountable for violence by other atheists - even if it was in the name of atheism. I usually forward Orwell's account of Communists desecrating graves with religious symbols on them in the name of atheism... surely we're not to be held accountable for those ********' actions just because of a shared religious belief?
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How does one avoid insulting people when it's a stone cold fact that they're demonstrably delusional? Two options: lie or say nothing, neither of which sit well with me.

This applies to all the superstitious, not just the Muslims.
 
angrysoba said:
But I think you will find that a lot of people in the region and of various religions also commit female genital mutilation, for example, Copts in Egypt and the Jewish sect in Ethiopia.
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The OP mentions Islam not Judaism or Christianity.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Yah. That Dawkins has a nasty habit of speaking his mind. If only he would choose his words more carefully, and think of the poor Muslims' feelings. We must be very careful not to offend the religious.
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Yes, saying that Muslims are cutting off heads is somehow racist.
 
blutoski said:
I would say yes, that's a good idea. Choose words carefully when you're insulting over a billion people. Sounds smart to me.

Wait, were you being sarcastic?





Not at all. My suggestion is not to hold people responsible for something somebody else did, just because of a superficial resemblance.

Atheists are very adamant that we shouldn't be held accountable for violence by other atheists - even if it was in the name of atheism. I usually forward Orwell's account of Communists desecrating graves with religious symbols on them in the name of atheism... surely we're not to be held accountable for those ********' actions just because of a shared religious belief?
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I didn't know there was a magic number that put a religion beyond insults.
 
Trevor from Toronto said:
Oh-oh. A'isha has stooped to name-calling and swearing rather than discussing the issues. Now why is that? Please, A'isha, when you come back on this thread follow the JREF guidelines and discuss the issues using logic and facts. Thank you.
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Most posts decrying insults and name calling are full of insults and name calling.
 
A'isha said:
Hazrat Dawkins is absolutely free to be a colossal arse about Islam all he likes. Just as I'm free to point out that he's a lying hypocrite for accusing liberals of enabling the oppression of women in the Muslim world, when it's liberals and Muslims themselves that are the ones doing all the actual work of combatting that oppression while he's done not one *********** thing to help beyond making stupid and offensive comments from the sidelines.

So Dawkins and his whiny self-promoting slacktivism can go **** themselves.
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A'isha said:
An abrasive self-aggrandizing ******* who is all to quick to discard even any pretense of critical thinking when it comes to one of his pet beliefs and who doesn't think endemic child sexual abuse in an institution he belonged to is all that big of a deal?

He'd be Benedict XVI without the crucifix.
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A'isha said:
Have I, now?



I refer you back to...well, all of my other posts in this thread.

Is there anything else I may assist you with?
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From your above posts:

colossal arse.....he's done not one *********** thing to help beyond making stupid and offensive comments .......Dawkins and his whiny self-promoting slacktivism can go **** themselves.....An abrasive self-aggrandizing *******

Those look like insults and name calling to me.
 
Craig B said:
Then too bad for the Muslims because you have a perfect right to criticise their beliefs and practices if you think fit. That's not the problem. When the EDF turn up here in a district with a large Muslim population they pretend to be criticising Muslim doctrines and deploring extremist Muslim violence. In fact they have little interest in these things; they are motivated by racism.
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AFAIK no one here is a member of the EDF so if you've got a bone to pick with them take it to them.
 
A'isha said:
If you think what Dawkins does is "skeptical commentary about the Koran or Islamic culture", you are severely mistaken. I'd be more than happy to recommend several scholarly works that are actually skeptical commentary about both the Qur'an and "Islamic culture", though, if you like.



There are lots of pictures of Muhammad. Most of them were even drawn by Muslims themselves. In Iran you can even buy postcards and posters of Muhammad as a beautiful young man.

We even had a thread here where posters drew their own pictures of Muhammad. Curiously, no Muslims seem to have been offended by it.



You can say and do whatever you like. Just as other people can criticise it.
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If you don't mind being killed over it.


Theodoor "Theo" van Gogh (Dutch: [ˈteːjoː vɑŋ ˈɣɔx]) (23 July 1957 – 2 November 2004) was a Dutch film director, film producer, columnist, author and actor.

Van Gogh worked with the Somali-born writer Ayaan Hirsi Ali to produce the film Submission, which criticized the treatment of women in Islam and aroused controversy among Muslims. On 2 November 2004 he was assassinated by Mohammed Bouyeri, a Dutch-Moroccan Muslim.
 
tsig said:
Those look like insults and name calling to me.
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They also aren't the only posts I've made in this thread.

Kind of odd how people keep complaining that I've only posted insults, while completely ignoring everything I've said.

tsig said:
If you don't mind being killed over it.
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I am happy to reassure you that you and the other posters on this web forum talking **** about Islam are entirely safe from such a fate.
 
A'isha said:
They also aren't the only posts I've made in this thread.

Kind of odd how people keep complaining that I've only posted insults, while completely ignoring everything I've said.

I am happy to reassure you that you and the other posters on this web forum talking **** about Islam are entirely safe from such a fate.
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In this thread your main theme is "Dawkins is a colossal arse, an abrasive self-aggrandizing ******* and a ******,**********,**********".

While the "You can't criticize Islam because other religions are worse.", theme song plays in the background.



ETA:I'd think the fact that people are being killed for criticizing Islam would bother you whether or not they were members of this forum,
 
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A'isha said:
Strange, most of the Muslims I've known (including members of my own family) don't look like that at all.
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Which implies that you've known some that do.
Some Muslims are instantly identifiable as such by the way that they dress. I'm not sure how that's insulting.
The same is true of various other faiths and specific sects.
Sikhs, the Amish and Hasidic Jews would be the most obvious examples.
 
tsig said:
In this thread your main theme is "Dawkins is a colossal arse, an abrasive self-aggrandizing ******* and a ******,**********,**********".
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No, my "main theme" is that Dawkins is hypocritically and erroneously accusing liberals of enabling the oppression of women in the Muslim world, when it's liberals and Muslims themselves that are the ones doing all the actual work of combatting that oppression, while he himself has done nothing at all to help. You know, just like I said back in this post.

Strangely, nobody seems to want to talk about that, instead ignoring it completely in favor of concentrating on how I'm such a big meaniepants for saying such mean things about Hazrat Richard Dawkins (peace be upon him).

While the "You can't criticize Islam because other religions are worse.", theme song plays in the background.
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I don't think other religions are worse. I think they're all about the same, and have explicitly said so a number of times here.

ETA:I'd think the fact that people are being killed for criticizing Islam would bother you whether or not they were members of this forum,
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People being killed for their speech of any sort for any reason bothers me, and I am extremely glad that Bouyeri was caught, convicted, and is currently rotting in prison. I don't, however, see the need for forum members to pretend to be potential martyrs for free speech putting their lives on the line by bravely making **** posts about Islam on JREF.

Dissolution said:
Which implies that you've known some that do.
Some Muslims are instantly identifiable as such by the way that they dress.
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Yes, and? Why should we describe all Muslims by what some Muslims dress and look like? Would you say that you can identify Texans by the they dress, because some of them wear cowboy boots and cowboy hats?

The same is true of various other faiths and specific sects.
Sikhs, the Amish and Hasidic Jews would be the most obvious examples.
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I note that you apparently have no problem talking about how Muslims (with no adjective) look and dress, but feel the need to specify Amish Christians and Hasidic Jews.
 
There aren't enough Dawkins tweets in this thread, so I'll give some:

Richard Dawkins said:
Most confused pro-FGM argument: "It has nothing to do with religion, therefore to criticise FGM is Islamophobia".

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/418677198925484032
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Richard Dawkins said:
Most cowardly pro-FGM argument: "It's illegal but we can't police it for fear of damaging community relations & of being accused of racism."

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/418674146743037953
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I love the fact that he cares about the truth more than political correctness.
 
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tsig said:
AFAIK no one here is a member of the EDF so if you've got a bone to pick with them take it to them.
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Why are you saying this? Who here have I accused of being in agreement with these racist idiots? I am explaining that in certain quarters religions are used as proxies for races. The EDF is a perpetrator of this practice. I do pick bones with them, but that doesn't prevent me from describing them here. I have stated before that this use of religion to cloak concerns about race is relevant to the discussion in this thread, but I have not made any accusation of that kind against anyone here. Have I?
 
tsig said:
The OP mentions Islam not Judaism or Christianity.
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Correct that is, oh perceptive one. However, fail they do your powers of perception in not realizing that I, like you, were responding to the OP not. FGM is mentioned not in the OP, also. Harangue other posters do you for mentioning the subject? I think you do not but selective outrage your tactics be.
 
Humes fork said:
what exactly is nonsensical about it?
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What, you mean other than the fact that it's a bunch of strawmen?

He has spoken out against FGM on Twitter.
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Oh, my! Speaking out on Twitter! He's right there on the front lines in the fight against FGM/C, getting his hands dirty, isn't he?

Never before has this image macro been so appropriate:

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And he is addressing the root cause (i.e religious faith).
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Since religion isn't the "root cause", I'd say he's failing right out of the gate.
 
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