Resolved: Trump Era Republicans Are Uniquely Bad in American Political History

[Cabbage]

Maybe you need to change the lure or bait.

Nah, I think they simply need to stop trolling in Trump's defense.

 

[Cabbage]

The Anti-Masonic Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Masonic_Party
The Green Party for their 9/11 conspiracy theories and other forms of science denialism(GMOs)
Lots of various crazy political movements in US history:
The Paranoid Style in American Politics by Richard Hofstadter

Yeah, I don't really think a relatively unknown third party is really comparable to one of the two major parties today. You've always been able to find conspiracy theorists: Find me a major party of its time that has bought in to so many as the GOP has.

 

[xjx388]

Yeah, I don't really think a relatively unknown third party is really comparable to one of the two major parties today. You've always been able to find conspiracy theorists: Find me a major party of its time that has bought in to so many as the GOP has.

Ah. Is that all you want? I present to you the OP.

 

[dudalb]

I think the Southern Democrats in 1860 might have been just a tad worse.
But the current day GOP is right donwn there with the Know Nothings.

 

[Cabbage]

Ah. Is that all you want? I present to you the OP.

What the hell, did you just post to agree with me? Yeah, I know, I wrote the OP: The GOP I described in the OP does qualify--Thanks for noticing!!

If you can't find another example that just goes to support my claim: They are unique.

 

[Cabbage]

I think the Southern Democrats in 1860 might have been just a tad worse.
But the current day GOP is right donwn there with the Know Nothings.

I am deliberately avoiding the term "worse". The specific motivation for this thread were the repeated claims

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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: zooterkin

that Trump and the GOP are not uniquely bad so what the hell are you complaining about. After seeing them straw man me with that absurd argument over and over again, I figured let's go ahead and own it: Agree to their own terms and still prove them wrong....

....which I seem to be doing so far. LOL!

Anyway, the (hopefully obvious) point is that multiple things can be uniquely bad regardless of whether this or that one is actually worse.

 

[johnny karate]

You could make a case that Trump is a uniquely bad President and I won’t even argue with you. The OP is saying that the modern GOP as a whole is uniquely bad in American History and that simply isn’t true.

And I’m willing to bet you can cite a blog or two that supports this position.

 

[theprestige]

Huh.

 

[Brainster]

I think the Southern Democrats in 1860 might have been just a tad worse.

You don't have to go that far back. How about the Southern Democrats of the 1950s and 1960s?

This thread reminds me of the Saturday Night Live Skit after the election where the white liberals are all moaning about how this is the worst thing that ever happened in American history, and Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle are shaking their heads in disbelief.

 

[Cabbage]

You don't have to go that far back. How about the Southern Democrats of the 1950s and 1960s?

This thread reminds me of the Saturday Night Live Skit after the election where the white liberals are all moaning about how this is the worst thing that ever happened in American history, and Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle are shaking their heads in disbelief.

While you are patting yourself on the back for erroneously believing you have successfully mocked my thread, please reread and note that I specifically said I am not addressing worse at all.

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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: zooterkin

Meanwhile, I remain satisfied that no one is actually capable of contradicting my claim.

 

[Cabbage]

You don't have to go that far back. How about the Southern Democrats of the 1950s and 1960s?

This thread reminds me of the Saturday Night Live Skit after the election where the white liberals are all moaning about how this is the worst thing that ever happened in American history, and Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle are shaking their heads in disbelief.

Nice straw man, however!

 

[dudalb]

Nice straw man, however!

Hey, guess, what?
All the racist Southern Democrats moved to the GOP..something the GOPers here don't like to talk about.

 

[Brainster]

Hey, guess, what?
All the racist Southern Democrats moved to the GOP..something the GOPers here don't like to talk about.

The Democrats had them when they were segregating and lynching.

 

[xjx388]

And I’m willing to bet you can cite a blog or two that supports this position.

If the OP had backed up their assertions with unbiased citations, maybe you’d have a point...

 

[xjx388]

What the hell, did you just post to agree with me? Yeah, I know, I wrote the OP: The GOP I described in the OP does qualify--Thanks for noticing!!



If you can't find another example that just goes to support my claim: They are unique.

Perhaps I need to be clearer.

Your OP is a perfect example of employing special pleading to argue/rant that one party is uniquely bad. Support it with more than your own bare assertions. How about, as johnnykarate might say, some unbiased citations? Maybe some contrasting and comparing with other “bad” political behavior in history. Make an actual case, IOW...put some meat on dem bones. Until you do, I’ll rest on my own conclusion that there is nothing unique about the GOP.

And yeah, what theprestige said...a little respect goes a long way.

 

[johnny karate]

The Democrats had them when they were segregating and lynching.

And the Republicans welcomed them with open arms.

 

[Cabbage]

Perhaps I need to be clearer.

Your OP is a perfect example of employing special pleading to argue/rant that one party is uniquely bad. Support it with more than your own bare assertions. How about, as johnnykarate might say, some unbiased citations? Maybe some contrasting and comparing with other “bad” political behavior in history. Make an actual case, IOW...put some meat on dem bones. Until you do, I’ll rest on my own conclusion that there is nothing unique about the GOP.

And yeah, what theprestige said...a little respect goes a long way.

Oh yeah, and your previous post did require a great deal of clarification: You responded to

Yeah, I don't really think a relatively unknown third party is really comparable to one of the two major parties today. You've always been able to find conspiracy theorists: Find me a major party of its time that has bought in to so many as the GOP has.

with

Ah. Is that all you want? I present to you the OP.

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Now that you've clarified you were referring to me as the OP (rather than the GOP, which, after all, was the subject of the OP) it really looks as though you think I am a major party.

I appreciate you thinking that, but I really can't claim it for my own.

LOL!

 

[johnny karate]

If the OP had backed up their assertions with unbiased citations, maybe you’d have a point...

Well, my point was to mock your terrible arguments, so I think it was indeed made.

And your arguments continue to be terrible in this thread.

You concede that Trump is uniquely bad, but claim that the GOP who supports him is somehow not.

It's like saying that the guy robbing the bank is a criminal, but his getaway driver isn't.

 

[xjx388]

Well, my point was to mock your terrible arguments, so I think it was indeed made.

And your arguments continue to be terrible in this thread.

Oh, you think arguments are being made in this thread? That's weird because there really hasn't been a real argument made in this thread. The OP is a rant asserting that the GOP is uniquely bad; I asserted in response that it isn't true. When the OP puts some meat on the bones (and stops with the "you lied to me" crap) maybe I would respond with arguments in kind. For now, we have dueling assertions.

You concede that Trump is uniquely bad, but claim that the GOP who supports him is somehow not.

That's not what I said. I said:

You could make a case that Trump is a uniquely bad President and I won’t even argue with you. The OP is saying that the modern GOP as a whole is uniquely bad in American History and that simply isn’t true.

Which means that I wouldn't be interested in arguing about how bad Trump is; he's bad enough for me to not be a big fan. But I would be interested in debating about whether or not the current GOP as a whole is uniquely bad in history because I don't think it's true. I am, however, open to good arguments that might convince me otherwise. Unfortunately, that debate hasn't even gotten started here.

It's like saying that the guy robbing the bank is a criminal, but his getaway driver isn't.

It hasn't even been established that the GOP is the getaway driver. Do that first.

See, I know how this goes: The OP and others make assertions without backing them up. I make an assertion and get in response: "Citations! Liar! Blah blah!"

 

[Cabbage]

Oh, you think arguments are being made in this thread? That's weird because there really hasn't been a real argument made in this thread. The OP is a rant asserting that the GOP is uniquely bad; I asserted in response that it isn't true. When the OP puts some meat on the bones (and stops with the "you lied to me" crap) maybe I would respond with arguments in kind. For now, we have dueling assertions.

Actually, I supported my position by noting the fact that there has never been a major party that espouses so many conspiracy theories. No one so far, including you, has successfully challenged that assertion.

And personally, I've had quite enough of the lies being told by Trump supporters and apologists like you. Enough.

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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: zooterkin

I realize that's probably expecting too much, however.